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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Robyn Wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=GramE><font size=3
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>re</span></font></span><font color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:navy'>: < 'System’ - a collection
of elements connected to form a whole. ><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I suggest that a
system is a whole in which there are connections/communications amongst
elements in endless feedback loops. And each element is a
whole. How is that different to the definition above? <span class=GramE>Fractals
rather than <span class=SpellE>Leggo</span>?</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Definitely – <span class=SpellE>wholarchical</span>
fractals! Ken Wilber rides again. Robyn, I think you have pointed out the key
flaw in the vast majority of what passes for Systems thinking. Bits and pieces
linked together like Lego. Perfect! And more than that there is a concentration
(obsession?) with externals – The hard countable things of this world. Of
course they are all important, but constitute only half of what we need to be
thinking about. Ken Wilber offers what I take to be a devastating criticism
when he states the obvious – that every outside has an inside (my free
translation). For every objective human body on earth there are also interior
feelings, hopes and dreams. And for larger entities, like communities,
companies and countries we also find such things as culture and myth in
addition to GNP.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>All of this would simply be an abstract
academic discussion except for the fact that in the context of the discussion
on this list, where the focus is Open Space, and what happens therein –
noticing the “interiors” is essential. We know, of course, that
very substantial things happen in Open Space. Money gets allocated, products
are designed. And ALSO minds are changed, feelings exposed and developed, people
grow internally. None of this is news of course, but when it comes to thinking
about and describing what happens in Open Space, there is no way to proceed
without taking into account the WHOLE system, inside and out. All four
quadrants -- in the language of Ken Wilber. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>When this item was originally posted requesting
information about Systems Thinking, I rather jokingly, suggested my own program,
The Practice of Peace. But as I think about it – it wasn’t quite a
joke. We do deal with Systems Thinking at both the macro and micro level –
How else would you deal with the totality of the Open Space experience? <span
class=GramE>Or something.</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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