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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Paul…one more thing…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I don’t think we can simply
underestimate the collapse of the Soviet Empire as a largely non-violent event.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>What happened in </span></font><st1:place><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Eastern Europe</span></font></st1:place><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> was
AMAZING, and there is a very good book about it and several other non-violent
shake-offs from colonization and totalitarianism by Jonathan Schell called “The
Unconquerable World.”<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>He
argues that non-violence largely ended a standoff that even the threat of
nuclear war had not ended. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>He also
looks at </span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>India</span></font></st1:place></st1:country-region><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> and Gandhi and he looks at what happens when violent regimes are
overthrown with violence which is what happened in the </span></font><st1:place><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Soviet Union</span></font></st1:place><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> at the
beginning. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Essentially the book
argues that violence begets violence while only non-violent and deeply
motivated citizens who “live in truth” as Vaclav Havel calls it, can
truly change their governments and societies to sustainable liberal
democracies.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I can’t imagine
how much worse things would be in </span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>South Africa</span></font></st1:place></st1:country-region><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> if the power change had happened there violently. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Not <span class=GramE>that things</span>
aren’t bad there now, but look at </span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Zimbabwe</span></font></st1:place></st1:country-region><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think you’ll find the book
engaging and hopeful.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>---<br>
CHRIS CORRIGAN<br>
Bowen Island, BC, Canada<br>
(604) 947-9236<br>
<br>
Consultation - Facilitation<br>
Open Space Technology<br>
<br>
Weblog: <a href="http://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot">http://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot</a><br>
Homepage: <a href="http://www.chriscorrigan.com">http://www.chriscorrigan.com</a><br>
chris@chriscorrigan.com<br>
(604) 947-9236<br>
<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>EVERETT813@aol.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 02, 2004 6:17
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Open Space in
conflict zones</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Geneva><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
In a message dated 3/2/04 9:31:02 AM, lisaheft@pacbell.net writes:<br>
<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Geneva FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:black'>This fine gentleman of faith and skill and humility reported at
our workshop that the Open Space worked marvelously. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Geneva FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Geneva;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
color:black'><br>
<br>
Lisa,<br>
<br>
This is probably not a popular question but what does it mean for OS to
"work marvelously"? My Senex Self is growling along the lines
of--working marvelously?? What are the criteria? What are the real
results on the ground? Are there any changes in the decisions and the
decision-makers, the one's who decide who lives or dies in many areas of the
world? Is the surrounding region more prosperous, peaceful or what?
Do people have truly better lives or is the OS just an oasis in an otherwise
bleak landscape, a temporary refuge from the desperate scenes of their lives? <br>
<br>
I'm wondering about Haiti where John Engle has labored mightily to bring some
sanity and hope to one of the most intractable, poverty-stricken regions of the
world. I presume there were many OS's there. Now, he has had to
leave in the face of the complete collapse of any sort of order other than that
which grows out of the barrel of a gun.<br>
<br>
I guess what I am wondering about is can OS make lasting change in un-free
societies? Is that a reasonable expectation or are we fooling ourselves
and our clients? Or, equally valuable, does it open the door for change
but often nobody really ends up walking through because they value their lives,
health, etc., in the face of anti-freedom violence. <br>
<br>
I'm struggling with the whole concept of making or enabling change in the
world. Is force the only way for un-free people to become free? It
would seem like it because I can't think of a transition from dictatorship or
other non-democratic government, especially a repressive one, that hasn't been
preceded by violence and force. (I guess the collapse of the Soviet
Empire was relatively non-violent, although not entirely so). Or, in
which the people didn't slip into abject poverty and degradation first (there
was a lot of violence in South Africa before it emerged in a negotiated way
from white rule). <br>
<br>
And is OS really most useful for already-open societies to find out how to work
together better to resolve the inevitable collisions of interests and that is
its real claim to effectiveness? Is that where we should be focusing our
efforts (and it probably already is where most of the OS work is occurring.)<br>
<br>
Man without answers.<br>
<br>
Paul Everett</span></font><font face=Arial FAMILY=SANSSERIF><span
style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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