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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New">M</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New">y question is</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Courier New">a little differ</FONT><FONT FACE="Courier New">e</FONT><FONT FACE="Courier New">nt</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Courier New">The vulnerability does not have to do with the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Courier New">'</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New">effectiv</FONT><FONT FACE="Courier New">eness of the circle</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New">'</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New">, once it is formed.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New"> The</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Courier New">vulnerability</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New"></FONT> <FONT FACE="Courier New">has to do with</FONT><FONT FACE="Courier New"> be</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New">coming 'part of the circle' when it is being formed</FONT><FONT FACE="Courier New">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New"></FONT> <FONT FACE="Courier New"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Courier New"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Courier New"> </FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New">A</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">very</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">small</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Courier New"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Courier New">part may have to do with the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Courier New">effectiven</FONT><FONT FACE="Courier New">e</FONT><FONT FACE="Courier New">ss</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New"> of the circle</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New">, the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=4 FACE="Courier New">MUCH</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT SIZE=4 FACE="Courier New">LARGER</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=5 FACE="Courier New"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Courier New">part has</FONT> <FONT FACE="Courier New">to do with the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New"> process of</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Courier New">circle</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> <FONT FACE="Courier New">formation</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New">, i.e. who</FONT> <FONT FACE="Courier New">ha</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New">s</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New"> the visibi</FONT><FONT FACE="Courier New">li</FONT><FONT FACE="Courier New">t</FONT><FONT FACE="Courier New">y to be invited</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New"> into the circle</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New">?</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New">In terms of</FONT> <FONT FACE="Courier New">markets, who gets to p</FONT><FONT FACE="Courier New">l</FONT><FONT FACE="Courier New">a</FONT><FONT FACE="Courier New">y</FONT><FONT FACE="Courier New"> in the market</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New">?</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT FACE="Courier New"></FONT> <FONT FACE="Courier New"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"> </SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">-----Original Message-----<BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">From:</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> OSLIST [<A HREF="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE</A>.</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">EDU]</FONT> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">On Behalf Of</FONT> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Michael Herman<BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Sent:</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> February 26, 2004 6:01 PM<BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">To:</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR>
</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Subject:</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> Re: spontaneous order, markets & open space</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">important, i think, as makers of openspace markets, to notice that it's</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">not the markets the do in the vulnerable... it's the big guys, who are</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">usually big because of some special privileges conferred by government</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">powers. in meeting terms, it's not the keynote speaker who really</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">dominates the meeting, but the control structure that invites and</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">introduces him/her, for instance.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">in open space we have two helpful dynamics at work. first, nobody is</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">being granted spec</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">ial privileges or airtime in the meeting. so nobody</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">is bigger than the 'vulnerable'. i like to point out in conversations</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">about ost, that the circle does not make people equal. people are all</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">different. but it does give them equal access to the flow of info... to</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">announce, to post, to read and to publish in the proceedings... and the</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">second dynamic... everybody has an equal job: learn and contribute as</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">much as you can. so everyone is a leade</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">r and anyone nearby is charged</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">with helping someone who falls behind in some vulnerability.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">as for whether the vulnerable are even present... in public ost</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">scenarios... it's up to conveners to make whatever invitation will make</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">it possible for poeple to a</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">ttend. here too, there can be limits imposed</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">by those in power... but we do what we can... and then we do a little</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">more... and more... always inviting as much and as many into the circle</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">as we can.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">my two cents.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">would love to hear john and fremy's two s</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">ense from haiti about now. or</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">others.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">m</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Masud Sheikh wrote:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>I have been thinking of the philosophy of Open Space and 'markets'. In</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>'markets', the 'vulnerable' get left out, unless community leaders</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>(which could mean different levels of government</FONT><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">, or informal leaders)</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>play a part.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>As there seem to be no 'community leaders' in open space, what happens</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>to the vulnerable, many of whom would stay out of the 'space'?</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">>Masud Sheikh</FONT></SPAN></P>
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