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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Greetings Harison and ALL, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm new OTL (OnTheList) after lurking for a short
while </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>(participating </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>in SILENCE :). </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>My
name is Judy Tal, </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>and I'm sought of
familliar with </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>the </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>OST concept
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>(Harison might remember a few private
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>exchange </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>of emails ... years ago), but not a
practitioner, because my</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2> work is </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>heardly done with </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>large groups.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I totally agree with what you wrote, Harison.
Moreover, </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>my passion </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>is to promote and enable GU (GoodUse) of
this unlimited </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>mean of </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>collaboration (kind of transportation of thoughts,
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>feelings, data ...) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>that technology has to offer us.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In my work I couldn't but notice the gap (very
large </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>and visible :) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>between the two worlds - the real and the
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>virtual. In certain cultures </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>this gap is huge!!!. Thus I </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>put more effort into small groups, by way </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>of creating and </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>building SmallWorlds. </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>I work with a local
application </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>that </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>supports
such <FONT face=Arial size=2>collaborations. The original version of the
</FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>software </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>has </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>been developed
by my colleagues in the </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>Netherlands,
and </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>adopted </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>into a hebrew version by me. </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2><A href="mailto:Mind@Work">Mind@Work</A> are </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>about </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>to release </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>the </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>second version of </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>their </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>web-application under a new name and
I'll be </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>glad to </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>notify
whoever is interested to take part in the betha-tests. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Warm regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jude</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=hhowen@comcast.net href="mailto:hhowen@comcast.net">Harrison Owen</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 25, 2004 3:37
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: An opportunity for Civil
Conversation</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"
PTSIZE="10"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Catherine – it is
true that our “major networks” would love to think that they control the news.
And our President (The Shrub) would love to think that he controls the
networks. And unfortunately (or very fortunately as I would think) both are
profoundly in error. The networks are losing market share – the truth of the
matter is that a large number of Americans are on Cable (I am not) – where
there are more channels than you could ever flip to. True, a substantial
portion cover such exciting topics as <I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic; mso-bidi-font-style: normal">How to Have a Better
Sex life</SPAN></I> – but there is more. Add in the fact that we are in truth
a “wired” nation – and it becomes clear that the possibility of controlling
the flow of information in the
</SPAN></FONT><st1:country-region><st1:place><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">USA</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:country-region><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> is as possible as it
was for the “Rulers” of </SPAN></FONT><st1:country-region><st1:place><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">China</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:country-region><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> during the Tienamen
(sp?) Square situation of several years ago. Nothing would have pleased those
folks more than to closed down communication with the outside world. And they
would have done it if they could – but had they done it (cut the phone lines)
they could not get the economic data they needed. I remember sitting in my
basement with several young Chinese Students during that time, who wanted to
know what was happening, and support their fellows. I happened to have a
number of phone lines, faxes, and InterNet connections. And I can tell you
</SPAN></FONT><st1:country-region><st1:place><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">China</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:country-region><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> was a sieve. I
couldn’t prove it, but I honestly think that I knew more (reading over
people’s shoulders) about what was going on in
</SPAN></FONT><st1:country-region><st1:place><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">China</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:country-region><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> than the
Intelligence folks. Anyhow, Free Speech, and the free flow of information is
alive and well in the </SPAN></FONT><st1:country-region><st1:place><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">USA</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:country-region><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">. In a word – we got
lots of Open Space. Now that does not mean that we have been using it well,
but actually we have gotten along pretty good for several hundred years. Major
excesses to be sure. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Total idiocy
– absolutely! But in the sloppy way of Democracy – we muddle through. So far
at least. We just have to keep the Space open.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><st1:place><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Harrison</SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
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color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">Harrison
Owen</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">7808
River Falls Drive</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">Potomac,
Maryland 20845</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">Phone
301-365-2093</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center></X-SIGSEP><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><!--StartFragment --><X-SIGSEP>Open
Space Training <A href="http://www.openspaceworld.com/"
eudora="autourl">www.openspaceworld.com</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">Open Space Institute
<A href="http://www.openspaceworld.org"
eudora="autourl">www.openspaceworld.org</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">Personal website <A
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
</SPAN></FONT><st1:PersonName><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">OSLIST</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
[mailto:</SPAN></FONT><st1:PersonName><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">OSLIST</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Catherine
Pfaehler<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday,
January 25, 2004 4:11 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
</SPAN></FONT><st1:PersonName><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">OSLIST</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> AW: An opportunity for Civil
Conversation</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><SPAN class=EmailStyle18><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Chris
– indeed, America’s media seem to be owned by only 5 corporations, all of
which have sponsored the current president’s campaign. Freedom of speech may
well be something which does not exist any longer in your country, as a
well-informed friend (named Paul) tells me. Sad. He states that unless you get
your informations through the web or speak foreign languages, as an American,
you are no longer informed objectively.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><SPAN class=EmailStyle18><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><SPAN class=EmailStyle18><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">With
love and compassion - Catherine<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><SPAN class=EmailStyle18><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><!--[if supportFields]><span
class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=DE-CH
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style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-Mail-Signatur" <span
style='mso-element:field-separator'></span></span></font></span><![endif]--><FONT
color=navy><SPAN lang=DE-CH
style="COLOR: navy; mso-ansi-language: DE-CH">Catherine
Pfaehler</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=DE-CH
style="mso-ansi-language: DE-CH"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=navy size=3><SPAN lang=DE-CH
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-ansi-language: DE-CH">Kellersriedweg
8</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=DE-CH
style="mso-ansi-language: DE-CH"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=navy size=3><SPAN lang=DE-CH
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-ansi-language: DE-CH">CH - 2503
Biel</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=DE-CH
style="mso-ansi-language: DE-CH"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=navy size=3><SPAN lang=DE-CH
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-ansi-language: DE-CH">T/F/B ++41 -
(0)32 - 365 68 41</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=DE-CH
style="mso-ansi-language: DE-CH"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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class=EmailStyle18><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT face=Tahoma color=black
size=2><SPAN lang=DE-CH
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: DE-CH">-----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Von:</SPAN></B> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Im
Auftrag von </SPAN></B>Chris Macrae<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Gesendet:</SPAN></B> Samstag, 24.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Januar
2004 22:49<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">An:</SPAN></B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Betreff:</SPAN></B> Re: An opportunity for Civil
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">I'm
always a bit scared (beyond my depth) about radical democracy but I did feel
pretty angry about this story- if anyone feels I've misworded it, I'd
appreciate editing advice- on the other hand if you feel like voting on
whether CBS merits a future if the circumstances portrayed by moveon.org are
correct, then please do vote<BR>Chris
Macrae<BR>http://www.beyond-branding.com/blog/blogger.html<BR><BR>SATURDAY,
JANUARY 24, 2004 <BR>why you may never see the greatest ad ever made...
<BR>...<BR>the eye-catching opening second: ten-year olds working in a
steelworks<BR><BR>cut several times to other big industry factory lines
peopled by kids<BR><BR>no words just ominous sounding music for 20
seconds<BR><BR>then silence and 10 seconds for the caption :<BR><BR>who else
did you think would be paying back America's
debt?<BR><BR>-----------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>If
not the world's biggest conversation, I would have thought this should be one
of America's biggest. But apparently CBS won't screen it even though American
people have collected to pay the money their superbowl rate card demands.
Unless there is an explanation that's currently alluding my grey cells, I
conclude CBS and parent viacom don't believe in freedom of speech<BR><BR>A few
years ago the idea that the public could rate a global empire the size of
Andersen as too untrustworthy to be worth having around seemed unlikely. From
all our research at Beyond-Branding, it seems time to rip down a big networked
media company. Perhaps CBS is the goat that needs to be sacrificed; its not
this company's first offence against public decency as the documentary on who
tried to block freedom of speech in exposing how much tobacco companies new
about addiction to deadly habits showed.<BR><BR>You can vote for the future of
CBS here. http://www.fastcompany.com/poll/?x=1127<BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf
Of Harrison Owen<BR>Sent: 11 December 2003 16:16<BR>To:
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR>Subject: An opportunity for Civil
Conversation<BR><BR>Folks - Up for a little radical
Democracy???</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=EN-GB
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