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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=E-postmall15><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>Marei,<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=E-postmall15><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>I’m so glad to hear of your ”homecoming” and your first OS, I do
remember your thinking and struggling at your future at Bramstrup, seems like
you are a little bit closer to the doorstep now…<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=E-postmall15><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=E-postmall15><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>And also to join the discussion about the list; it has for me several
purposes</span></font></span><font size=2 color=navy><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>, Here I can find
answers to my tiny practical questions as a relatively beginner with OST, i.e.
how to do this or that, or how to deal with….</span></font><font size=2
color=navy><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy;mso-color-alt:
windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>But I can also
challenge my own process and </span></font><span class=E-postmall15><font
size=2 color=navy><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>as Judi said: </span></font></span><span
class=E-postmall15><i><font size=2 color="#669900"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;color:#669900;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB;font-style:italic'>“</span></font></i></span><i><font size=2
color="#669900"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#669900;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;font-style:italic'>This list, for me, is organic, it
becomes what I need it to be over and over.”</span></font></i><font size=2
color="#669900"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#669900;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'> </span></font><font size=2 color=navy><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>And for
me that is very much true. The discussion always seems to point in a direction
where my own thoughts are <i><span style='font-style:italic'>now</span></i>,
for maybe becoming - not the <i><span style='font-style:italic'>new </span></i>but
- more the authentic <i><span style='font-style:italic'>now </span></i>which is
I. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>So, Florian your writing about now
and new is exactly what I need NOW.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>I
challenge my self not to do, to stop doing for a while to catch up with myself,
and that’s a scaring thing to do – stop doing and just be with oneself for a
period of time. It evokes a lot of “scares” (things that I am frightened for) to
be dealt with; work, safety, self-criticisms and God knows what. And in that
work this list always seems to be discussing what I need for now...</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy;
mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Then talking about
contribution, or lurking, it’s quite easy to read and understand English but it
takes a whole lot more to write, to try to find the flavour of the right word,
to paint the feelings. But not being so active doesn’t mean lack of interest – more
likely lack of self-confidence on the language (but then there’s always the
spelling program in the computer – thanks for that </span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Wingdings><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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style='mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'>J</span></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>!) <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></span></font><font
size=2 color=navy><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy;
mso-color-alt:windowtext;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>So this list is a
precious gift and a real treasure for me. And if this is not a learning
organisations I don’t now what is! </span></font><font size=2 color=navy><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-GB
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Ursprungligt
meddelande-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Från:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>För </span></b>Marei
Kiele<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Skickat:</span></b> den 8 december 2003 00:55<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Till:</span></b>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Ämne:</span></b> Re: my family (mother list)</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:65.2pt'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Sorry for adding such a long text (thinking of all who
only have little time for reading these mails). </span></font><font
color=black><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>But - after following this beautiful exchange with rising interest and
involvement, tonight I read many mails I collected during the last days - and
my wish to answer and contribute grew more and more - feeling so limited
by not being native english-speaking.</span></font><font color=black><span
lang=EN-GB style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>I really don't know which one to refer to first.</span></font><font
color=black><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>So I close my eyes and let my finger choose...</span></font><font
color=black><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>Chris Corrigan wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-GB
style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color="#0080c0" face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#0080C0;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>There are about 350-400 people on this list Judi. WAAAY more
lurkers</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color="#0080c0" face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#0080C0;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>than writers, or more butterflies than conveners.</span></font><font
color=black><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>Dear Chris, this sentence opened up a new way of looking at butterflies
to me.</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black;
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>Most times I just read and do not write on the list, but I don't feel as
if I am "only" lurking. Whenever I add to the list I feel it makes a
difference to know there are hundreds of people reading and listening to what I
am saying. Even if they don't answer or engage. Knowing somebody is there,
somebody is taking part, somebody is witnessing what I do and think makes a
difference. In this way we are all facilitating each other, aren't we?</span></font><font
color=black><span lang=EN-GB style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>Chris Corrigan wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-GB
style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color="#0080c0" face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#0080C0;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>I’ve been pondering Judi and Lisa’s statements about loving the
event-based OST even though we know it could be better, and I have to admit
that even though I tried to come across as getting tired of them, I like them a
lot too. I was trying to figure out WHY I like them though and wondered if it
wasn’t just me…<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>a fatal trap for a
facilitator, to meet his own needs through a pet process</span></b>, and so
this had me a little worried…</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-GB
style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>Dear Chris and all, I use this opportunity for adding that esp. on this
list we (including myself!) all may try to become saints - not doing things to
meet our own needs - but in fact I believe meeting our needs is the real reason
for all we do. And during the last weeks I came to see it as a very honourable
reason. Meeting my needs does not automatically implicate that the needs of
others are not met. The opposite is true - I can meet the needs of others best
when I take good care of myself.</span></font><font color=black><span
lang=EN-GB style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>Tova wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-GB
style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color="#0080c0"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:#0080C0;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>>My sensing is that there are
changes in the last few months. I do not know 'the real old days' but I am
around for 4 years now.</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-GB
style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color="#0080c0"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:#0080C0;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>>My understanding is that our
community is multi focused now and this is felt, at least by some (me
included), as an 'energy </span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-GB
style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color="#0080c0"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:
10.0pt;color:#0080C0;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>>leakage', A difficulty to
focus enough energy to go through to new.</span></font><font color=black><span
lang=EN-GB style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>This sentence gave me a new insight into something a man said in the
closing-circle this week. But before I tell you more about him I want to share
something with you: I am proud and delighted and full of happiness because on
last monday and tuesday I facilitated my first open space. Some of you who met
me in Swenmark may recall that I gave up my work as a product manager nearly
two years ago. I went through many struggles, up and downs, found open space or
have been found and fell in love immediately but didn't dare to get in contact
at the first sight. After half a year of more learning and searching I entered
the space at the Berliner OSonOS in june, came to Bramstrup where I deeply felt
I had reached home and found my family, asked Michael M Pannwitz to let me
learn (recall?!) open space being with him for three months and finally I dived
into the river and... swam :-) Of course I did, because as I know now: I am a
dolphin - and I found the liquid I need.</span></font><font color=black><span
lang=EN-GB style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>The os took place in a business-context with participants who afterwards
seem to be hard work for the start: 38 people, only men (exept three young
women who where very cautious), average age 60, professional background:
scientists, ingenieurs, finance specialists. But of course - it worked! They
had fun, they networked and communicated like never before, they were happy. With
at least one exeption.</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-GB
style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>Coming back to what Tova wrote (...multi focused... is felt, at least by
some... as an 'energy leakage'):</span></font><font color=black><span
lang=EN-GB style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>This man, being 60+-years old, said he found out that open space isn't
for him and that he is hoping he will never have to participate in one anymore.
First I thought he was not open enough (like "how limited"). Writing
and thinking about it I become less demanding. I realize how judging I have
been. Now I understand it may just have been to much for him... or to fast. And
I wonder if there is any chance to make it easier for people to SLOWLY get in
touch? I guess he may have been overtaxed - coming to the food-metaphor: as I
sometimes feel overtaxed going to the market with all the fresh vegetable and
fruits and decisions to make - there are times when I prefer a small
supermarket with only a small assortement. </span></font><font color=black><span
lang=EN-GB style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>Florian, while reading your contribution I feel how I slow down. And I
feel this healing energy you give to me. Is this the answer to my above posted
question? Making it possible for others to join by slowing down? But what about
those who are fast?</span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-GB
style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>And one more question to mix you all up the way I am NOW (exactly
midnight in Germany): Maybe it is still judging to think it was too much. Because
hidden in this thought is the idea that everyone could find his or her paradise
in open space. Which implicates not to accept the choice of all who find their
paradise somewhere else. </span></font><font color=black><span lang=EN-GB
style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-GB
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB'>Does all this make sense to you?</span></font><font color=black><span
lang=EN-GB style='color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Marei</span></font><font
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