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<DIV><SPAN class=909432116-06122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>And
every good baker knows that bread needs to be both "stretched" and "rolled",
"stretched" and "rolled"!!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=909432116-06122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=909432116-06122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>J</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Chris
Corrigan<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 05, 2003 8:36 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: mother
list<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">There are about
350-400 people on this list Judi.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>WAAAY more lurkers than writers, or more butterflies than
conveners…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Chris W refers to
“mother list” and that’s kind of how I think of this “place.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It’s like a sourdough starter, which
is the piece of bubbling yeast and flour that bakers use to get sourdough
bread to <SPAN class=GramE>rise</SPAN>. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As long as you keep feeding it, the
starter keeps living, and lots of loaves of bread keep getting made from the
same jar of stuff<SPAN class=GramE>..</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And at the risk of
</SPAN></FONT><st1:place><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Harrison</SPAN></FONT></st1:place><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> jumping in with
another New Testament allusion, I’ll also say that vinegar starts with a
“mother…”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=GramE><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ANYWAY…</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">OSLIST mothers an
awful lot of stuff for me.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And
sometimes my engagement here is very strong and other times I go away for a
while and do other things.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But in
my own life it has spawned many interesting things like the wikis, the
non-guide, my weblogs (and other people’s!), collaborations with people like
Michael Herman, Avner Haramati, Brian Bainbridge, Peggy Holman, Joelle and
Paul Everett, Julie Smith, Dan Chay, Judi Richardson, Ashley Cooper, Birgitt
Williams and it has led to many face to face conversations with countless
other people, often over food, in places like Toronto, Vancouver, Bowen
Island, Fairbanks, Bellingham and Whidbey Island.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And most importantly,
this list got me started, and with very kind and careful attention from Larry
Peterson, Dianne Gibeault, and Harrison I took my first steps into OST seven
years ago or so.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So I have never
forgotten that, and it’s always led me to treat this list, and the community
of this list, with great care and affection.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So, like I say, if
there’s a moose under the table, to me it still looks a lot more like a food
cache than a problem!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Chris<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">---<BR>CHRIS
CORRIGAN<BR>Bowen Island, BC, Canada<BR><A
href="http://www.chriscorrigan.com">http://www.chriscorrigan.com</A><BR><A
href="mailto:chris@chriscorrigan.com">chris@chriscorrigan.com</A></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">(604)
947-9236<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Judi Richardson<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:22
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: mother
list</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Chris, Tova, Ashley and
others.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Many thanks for the deep
contemplation and challenging languaging. In watching the posts over the
last week or two it is evident that a few feel at a crossroads -- and only
individuals can know if that is personal or community. This list, for
me, is organic, it becomes what I need it to be over and over.
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I, too, experience this community
as a source of professional and personal challenge -- expanding my
capacity. It can be an "energy leak" if I choose for it to be.
When I'm on the road, reading the postings can be like finding old
friends. Sometimes I long to have the time to write an observation
of work with a group while I'm already on my way to another group. Those
postings that challenge me I can choose to respond to or not. I
appreciate the many stories started and expanded on this list and often wonder
how they are spinning. For some of us this may be one of the few places
we tell a different story -- perhaps from our original voice. I see
expansion of stories here and, in my experience, stagnation occurs when we
tell the same story of limits over and over -- like continually placing
our hands on a hot stove, or spend all our time teaching each others our
complaints.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think someone mentioned there
are over 4,000 people on this list -- seems to me we will all make it what we
choose for it to be. I see an OST event like a cosmic mirror -- the
participants, if they are open to it, can see habitual patterns, see how they
affect others in their organizations. It is like a Time Out Of Time
(TOOT) -- a reflective tool, out of our natural reactions we can choose to
respond. The quality of "beginner's mind" that offers when someone new
comes to the list never ceases to amaze me, as well as the quality of our
disagreements! <grin></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ciao</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Judi
Richardson</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://www.ponoconsultants.com">www.ponoconsultants.com</A></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://www.emergentfeminine.com">www.emergentfeminine.com</A></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=chris@springbranch.net href="mailto:chris@springbranch.net">chris
weaver</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:53 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> mother
list<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Tova
wrote,<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I believe our energy as a
community was and is so powerful that a lot of seeds had enough wind and
spirit to go very far and enough warmth and nourishment to sprout in many
places. I believe that now we are on a crossroad of our story, the
question is what is the new being of 'mother list' we wish for, where do
we take our story ? <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What do you
think?</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>Dear Tova,<BR><BR>You have stated this beautifully:
wind, spirit, warmth, nourishment, and sprouting seeds, yes. I
count myself as one whose daily work and life would be entirely different
without the gifts and professional connections born out of this list over
recent years (when I see the sprouting seeds, they're on the muddy back of
a turtle!)<BR><BR>I don't have a feeling that we are at a "crossroads,"
however, because to me the list is a river rather than a road. A
river has its own life, and a powerful river is beyond any human efforts
at engineering. Yet a river is supremely receptive. As Sheila
Chandra sings, "the Ocean refuses no river -" and the river does not
refuse its tributaries...the tributaries are received...and then the
opposite pattern unfurls, as the river divides into a delta, with
separate, more-focused streams spinning out their own
fractals...?<BR><BR>So I think the multi-focused aspect of the list seems
likely to be its way and its nature. <BR><BR>I am curious about what
you describe as "energy leakage," and I think maybe I understand. To
continue with the metaphor, the OSLIST, big and wide-focused as it is, is
usually not the right river to spin my own little waterwheel. As my
own daily work has focused on the care and feeding of a small "Open Space
Organization," I have devoted my attention mostly to my local work
relationships in real time and real space, where we are all focused and
busy weaving waterbearing baskets...<BR><BR>The OSLIST is more like a sort
of cyber-Ganges, where I go every few days before dawn and jump in.
I continue to be amazed that something so Big can be so responsive.
And I continue to be surprised at how often I emerge dripping and
watch the sun come up as a transformed person. <BR><BR>My thanks to
Reinhard & Ashley for the spark (takes a little flint & steel if
you want to cook a moose), and for all the fine responses. I spent
two hours on this extended thread this morning, thanks to the river, which
rose into the sky last night, and froze, and blanketed these mountains
with enough snow to close all the schools & block my road to
Cherokee.<o:p></o:p></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Chris Weaver<BR>Swannanoa, North Carolina, USA<BR>*
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