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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I had the same problems - no mails since 18th
20.36.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now that the list seems to flow again (I hope) I
send this once again...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=ilse.debler@t-online.de href="mailto:ilse.debler@t-online.de">Ilse
Debler</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:30 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fwd: Novartis] & Ethics</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi - I've only just read this thread today after 2
weeks of being offline - sorry for the delay...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm wondering whether Novartis is inviting those
human beings too who are not in favour of genetic engineering as the ultimate
solution?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Would anyone of those who are involved with this
company care to tell something about this side of the coin?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I may add one more question:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Especially the companies and scientists known to be
active in the field of genetic engineering condemned the past & ongoing
discussion on the topic as an 'emotional' one, meaning: not objective and thus
invalid. How come they i.e. at least Novartis is applying a method known to
thrive on people's passion which seems to look like double standards? Or has
something major changed as to what is good for the world's future?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm looking forward to some enlightenment
about the issue. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>kind regards ~ Ilse, Hamburg</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=peggy@opencirclecompany.com
href="mailto:peggy@opencirclecompany.com">Peggy Holman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 10, 2003 4:03
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fwd: Novartis]</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Christine Roess is doing an OS with them in
August. They've just ordered a bunch of copies of the User's Guide for
the event. I forwarded Michael's message to Christine.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Peggy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=owenhh@MINDSPRING.COM href="mailto:owenhh@MINDSPRING.COM">Harrison
Owen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 09, 2003 2:58
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fwd: Novartis]</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>At 03:54 PM 7/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:<BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I will contact him directly -- AND -- it seems that Novartis has
adopted OS as the "official" way to hold a meeting (whatever that means?) My
friend Christine Roess has been a consultant to them for some time -- and I
hold her totally responsible for what ever happens. I guess something is
happening as I was invited to spend a day with senior management in
someplace talking about Open Space. Doesn't seem to be panning out as they
want to do this in August, and I don't go ANYWHERE in August, Maine being
just about the most wonderful place to be right
then.<BR><BR>Harrison<BR><BR></DIV><X-SIGSEP>
<P></X-SIGSEP>
<DIV align=center>Harrison Owen<BR>7808 River Falls Drive<BR>Potomac, MD
20854 USA<BR>phone 301-365-2093<BR>Open Space Training <A
href="http://www.openspaceworld.com/"
eudora="autourl">www.openspaceworld.com</A> <BR>Open Space Institute <A
href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/"
eudora="autourl">www.openspaceworld.org</A><BR>Personal website <A
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