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lucy, artur, et al...<br>
<br>
no, there is not any "course" planned for wiki... there is only the Ongoing
Practice of using it and learning together... and that is what .NET is all
about... i feel this wordsmithing discussion is just a distraction from the
larger work we have now possible at .NET... this seems a good example of
why we don't answer questions in the opening of a space... the questions
distract from the theme and purpose... which is to learn our way into the
space... <br>
<br>
i have given my own answers to birgitt's questions right there on the questions
page of the .NET wiki and invited others to answer them there too... the
answer to one of her questions was already posted there on that questions
page, and i've added a further comment about that question... but i think
there is not so much more we can say about that .NET space here on the list...
the thing to do is jump in... <br>
<br>
and yes, one of the things we can jump inTO is the page that is there about
NetSpaceDevelopment... which is the ongoing notes page and workspace for
those who would tend and care for and hold and shape and generally pick up
cups in our online wiki space(s)... it doesn't matter if we say we are "practicing"
or "leading" or "facilitating" or "organizing" or anything else... <br>
<br>
the fact is that the space awaits our showing up and posting issues and projects
and being together... once again, please join us there if you have any interest
in what is possible to do with your colleagues here and/or with your public/community
clients, too. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.openspaceworld.NET">http://www.openspaceworld.NET</a>....<br>
<br>
michaelh<br>
<br>
p.s. artur... you mentioned in an earlier message that we would have those
IberianWiki development conversations in private emails... i suggest you
start an IberianWikiDevelopment page (very simple to make a page) right there
in the .NET space, so that any questions we answer about how to start such
a new wiki will be there recorded for those who would start the next one(s).<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Lucy Geão wrote:<br>
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<div>to Artur and Michael</div>
<div> </div>
<div>be sure that " the possibility of giving an online course on
Wikis? If this is true, I have some people interested..." you will have
a lot of people interested and I am the first one.</div>
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<div>lucy - salvador - bahia - brazil </div>
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<div dir="ltr" style="font-size: 11pt;"><i><b>Data:</b></i> Sunday,
July 13, 2003 11:51:15</div>
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<div dir="ltr" style="font-size: 11pt;"><i><b>Assunto:</b></i> Re:
OSW Wiki - a request for an iberian experiment</div>
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<div>Hello Michael and all (especially the Spanish and Portuguese</div>
<div>speaking people - including Carla ;-)</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks for your reply and offer of help, Michael. I will answer
this mail</div>
<div>to the list and then we will discuss the details in private
conversations.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>At 00:09 13-07-2003 -0500, Michael Herman wrote:</div>
<div>>i say 'go for it' artur! just tell me what languages you
want to</div>
<div>>experiment in and help me understand if you're talking about
one more</div>
<div>>wiki or several. i suggest we set up a separate one, a peer
to the</div>
<div>>EnglishHomepage, rather than setting up sections of the
.net space. this</div>
<div>>will let you do instructions in whatever language(s) you
choose. this is</div>
<div>>agreeing with what john has suggested. so you want to start
with one</div>
<div>>wiki to experiment with? tell me what that wiki's homepage
should be</div>
<div>>titled and i will set it up. once i set it up, you can post
technical</div>
<div>>questions in the NetSpaceDevelopment page at .NET wiki,
where they can</div>
<div>>be answered once (and for all to share), but you'll have
to tend it</div>
<div>>yourself, because i can't read it. i'm ready when you are.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>My suggestion is to begin with only one more wiki for the Iberian
languages</div>
<div>(Portuguese and Spanish). The page could be called ".../Iberia".</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The links in both the Portuguese and Spanish translations of
the old ".org"</div>
<div>site (in the section referring the wiki) would link to the new
page.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The new page (the temporized one) would have as Title(s) the
expressions</div>
<div>"Espaço Aberto" and "Espacio Abierto". Than you would copy the
English wiki</div>
<div>page to that space adding something saying "Work in Progress
- versions in</div>
<div>Spanish and Portuguese coming soon".</div>
<div> </div>
<div>We will use that as a framework, replacing each EnglishLink
into two - a</div>
<div>"PortugueseLink" and a "SpanishLink" - and then replacing the
English page</div>
<div>by both a Portuguese and a Spanish version. Our first work would
be that</div>
<div>double translation. After that we will add more content (by
the way I will</div>
<div>need to know how to add a PDF file somewhere in the Portuguese
version).</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Am I dreaming or you, Michael, have referred the possibility
of giving an</div>
<div>online course on Wikis?</div>
<div>OIf this is true, I have some people interested...</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I am afraid that the Portuguese version will be translated faster
than the</div>
<div>Spanish one as I have more offers from Portuguese speakers.
I ask all</div>
<div>Spanish speakers in this list to please join the effort.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>SE HABLAS ESPANOL PARTICIPA EN LA CONSTRUTIÓN DEL WIKI DEL ESPACIO
ABIERTO</div>
<div>PARA LOS PAISES DE LENGUAS IBÈRICAS.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>E, Carla, muito obrigado pela mensagem em português e também
ficamos à tua</div>
<div>espera no grupo abaixo...</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I have set up a Yahoo group where all the team will join and
discuss the</div>
<div>work. The group is at:</div>
<div><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EA-Wiki-Iberia/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EA-Wiki-Iberia/</a></div>
<div> </div>
<div>The Description of the group is after my signature. Please note
that the</div>
<div>discussions will be held in Portuguese and Spanish and that
everyone will</div>
<div>be asked to present oneself to avoid spammers from joining the
group (this</div>
<div>is mainly to check that there is a human being and not a spamming
robot in</div>
<div>the other side).</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I know that Veronique is planning to create a similar group
for French, but</div>
<div>she will tell us when she is ready. POUR LES GENTS QUI PARLENT
FRANÇAIS -</div>
<div>S'IL VOUS PLAIT ATTENDEZ LA PROCHAINE CREATION D'UN GROUPE POUR
DISCUTER LE</div>
<div>PROJET D' UN WIKI DU FORUM OUVERT.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>And that's all. Multinational Wikis are moving on!</div>
<div> </div>
<div>(And my multilingual message is on its way).</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Artur</div>
<div> </div>
<div>-------------------------------- Description of the Yahoo group
EA-Wiki-Iberia</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Esta lista es el espacio de discusión de aquellos</div>
<div>interesados en construir el Wiki de Espacio Abierto de</div>
<div>hablas ibericas. Las lenguas oficiales son el español</div>
<div>y el portugués.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Esta lista é um espaço de diálogo do Projecto de</div>
<div>construção de um site wiki da Metodologia de Reunião</div>
<div>em "Espaço Aberto" em linguas ibéricas. As línguas</div>
<div>oficiais são todas as linguas ibéricas, nomeadamente o</div>
<div>português, o espanhol (castelhano), o galego e o</div>
<div>catalão</div>
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