<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<TITLE>Message</TITLE>
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1170" name=GENERATOR></HEAD>
<BODY>
<DIV><!-- Converted from text/plain format --><STRONG><EM><FONT
size=2>Hi.</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2>In response to John Engle's posting . .
.</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2>Perhaps we are not so much "wired" as
"conditioned" to seek and/or</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2>establish centralized
</FONT></EM></STRONG><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2>power in
organizations.</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2>And perhaps we have such a paucity of current
"collective" experience </FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2>with self-organizing systems within our daily
lives, that we don't know</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2>what to choose
otherwise.</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2>Stella Humphries directed my attention to an
exploration that I believe has</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2>profound practicality. Bernard Lietaer has
been promoting a key concept</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2>of self-organization
-- Sustainability. He has written a book on the
concept.</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2>I offer Stella's gift to this
community:</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=615430317-22052003><FONT size=+0><FONT size=+0><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN class=315504316-25052003>
<HR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=615430317-22052003><FONT size=+0><FONT size=+0><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN
class=315504316-25052003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=615430317-22052003><FONT size=+0><FONT size=+0><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN class=315504316-25052003></SPAN>The book can only
be ordered from Europe -- <U><FONT
color=#0000ff> Amazon.com.uk</FONT></U> has
copies.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000><SPAN
class=615430317-22052003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000><SPAN
class=615430317-22052003>The ordering information for the book
is:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000><SPAN
class=615430317-22052003>TITLE:
"The Future of Money -- Creating New Wealth, Work, and a Wiser
World"</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000><SPAN
class=615430317-22052003>AUTHOR:
Bernard Lietaer</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000><SPAN
class=615430317-22052003>DATE: 2001</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000><SPAN
class=615430317-22052003>PUBLISHER: Century London,
Random House Group Ltd.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000><SPAN
class=615430317-22052003>ISBN:
0712683992</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=2><SPAN
class=615430317-22052003><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=2><SPAN
class=615430317-22052003>
<HR>
</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR></DIV><FONT size=2>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=1>
<DIV align=left><FONT face="Monotype Corsiva" color=#808080
size=4><STRONG><EM>Mark R. Jones</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV><FONT color=#800080
size=2><STRONG>
<DIV><FONT color=#800080 size=2><STRONG>Chief Technical Officer --
</STRONG></FONT><FONT color=#800080 size=2><STRONG><FONT color=#800080
size=1><STRONG>SPAWAR INFOTECHCTR
(SITC) </STRONG></FONT></DIV></STRONG></FONT></STRONG></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=#800080 size=2><STRONG>Chief Architect -- </STRONG></FONT><FONT
color=#800080 size=2><STRONG><FONT color=#800080 size=1><STRONG>Science &
Engineering Associates (SEA) </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#800080 size=2><STRONG>Corporate Vice President --
</STRONG></FONT><FONT color=#800080 size=2><STRONG><FONT color=#800080
size=1><STRONG>Science & Engineering Associates (SEA)
</STRONG></FONT></DIV></STRONG></FONT></STRONG></FONT><FONT
size=2><STRONG>----------------------------------------------------------------------</STRONG></FONT></DIV><FONT
size=2><STRONG>
<DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>New Orleans:
504-304-2460</STRONG></FONT></DIV></STRONG></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=1><FONT
size=2><STRONG>Seattle:
425-413-6000</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT
size=2><STRONG>Message: 702-341-7700</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT
size=2><STRONG>e-Mail:
</STRONG></FONT><A
href="mailto:mark.r.jones@seabase.com"><FONT
size=2><STRONG>mark.r.jones@seabase.com</STRONG></FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT size=2>
<DIV><FONT
size=2><STRONG>----------------------------------------------------------------------</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></FONT></DIV>
<P></FONT>
<HR>
<HR>
<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: OSLIST [<A
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>]
On Behalf Of John Engle<BR>Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 8:48 AM<BR>To:
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR>Subject: Re: Open Space ,Self-Organizing
Systems, and The Plexus Institute<BR><BR><BR>harrison,<BR><BR>thank you for the
invitation to share our questions.<BR>the ongoing question for me is
this:<BR><BR>why is it that in quite a few cultures, at least those<BR>that i am
familiar with, human beings are "wired" or<BR>"programmed" in a way which leads
us to gravitate<BR>toward centralizing power in organizations, and for<BR>trying
to take responsibility for things totally<BR>divorced from our own
behavior?<BR><BR>perhaps i am overlooking the many examples where
these<BR>tendencies don't occur. just seems that so often that<BR>this is the
case. for example, i could be working with<BR>groups of street boys and older
boys insisting that<BR>younger ones work with me while they themselves
don't,<BR>or literacy teachers who will invest a full day<BR>discussing what the
government should do about<BR>literacy, when there is no evidence to suggest
that<BR>their suggestions will even be considered...or, a<BR>group of leaders in
an NGO (nongovernmental<BR>organization) who are trying to dictate the
services<BR>that unpaid volunteers give to the organization...the<BR>list could
go on and on.<BR><BR>my question is, where does this come from and why is<BR>it
so difficult for us to see the folly in it? ...at<BR>least folly for the well
intentioned people. its<BR>totally understandable that people who want
to<BR>dominate and exploit would behave in this manner. but<BR>we all watch,
wonderful people with good intentions<BR>(including ourselves) frequently
gravitate toward<BR>centralizing power in organizations and trying to
take<BR>responsibility for things divorced from our own<BR>behavior. seems that
these things clog up a fluid and<BR>life-giving self-organizing
process.<BR><BR>john<BR><BR><BR>=====<BR>Website: <A
href="http://theexperiment.info">http://theexperiment.info</A><BR>Sitentenet :
<A href="http://eksperyansla.info">http://eksperyansla.info</A><BR>Site : <A
href="http://Lexperience.info">http://Lexperience.info</A><BR><BR>Patisipe nan
konvèsasyon sou entènet la sou Espas Ouvri ak Wonn<BR>Refleksyon - voye yon
mesaj a
:<BR>reseauforumouvert-subscribe@yahoogroups.com<BR><BR>*<BR>*<BR>==========================================================<BR>OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR>------------------------------<BR>To
subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options,<BR>view the archives of
oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu,<BR>Visit:<BR><BR><A
href="http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html">http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html</A><BR></FONT></P></BODY></HTML>
*
*
==========================================================
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
------------------------------
To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options,
view the archives of oslist@listserv.boisestate.edu,
Visit:
<p>
http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html