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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080 size=2>Dear Chris, dear Birgitt, and dear
Lisa!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080 size=2>Thanks a lot for your </FONT><FONT
face=Verdana color=#000080 size=2>reply! I agree with all your comments
100%. You are right, we can´t controll quality .. we can´t controll the
reputation ... different people think different about OST ... but we can do our
best for good preparations and good facilitations (and good follow-ups). I
still think, that the </FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080
size=2>circumstances about this 2108 people, embedded setting, and 1-day
frame, are very special. What I tried to express was, that I admire the
courage of Harrison and Michael very much, because I believe, that I would have
had too much concerns regarding the setting - not the number of people. Our
conversation of today helped me to think about all that again ... and to
reframe!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080 size=2>Thanks again, dear
colleagues!<BR>Gabriela</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=chris@chriscorrigan.com href="mailto:chris@chriscorrigan.com">Chris
Corrigan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:56
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: 2108 -- Remember the
Number</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think the basic
answer to your questions Gabriela, for me any way is: good preparation, good
preparation and good preparation.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The better prepared
we are, the easier it is to hold space, because we have no regrets about
anything, and we (the facilitators) are able to relax into that pure form of
being with the group that we call “holding space.”<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In times when I haven’t been able hold
space like I have wanted to, it was due to the fact that there were thoughts
eating away at my peace of mind. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In almost every case, better
preparation on my part, or the part of the sponsors and me, would have taken
care of that.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It works well when
people are really clear on what is being done and when the four conditions are
present: passion, diversity, urgency, complexity.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It “just works” when these four are
present in less deep quantities.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>(Note to <SPAN class=SpellE>Wilberians</SPAN>: depth not span…8 can
have greater depth than 1000).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And in terms of
lessons learned for embedding Open Space in another conference format, the
first one would be, as Harrison and Michael did, to do it last. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As for the more subtle realms, I can
point you to a paper I did as a report on using Open Space as a track for an
international conference last year.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>You can download the PDF at <A
href="http://www.chriscorrigan.com/ifoam/ifoamreport.pdf">http://www.chriscorrigan.com/ifoam/ifoamreport.pdf</A>.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The paper includes a report on what
happened at the conference and recommendations for using OST in the
future.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Chris<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">---<BR>CHRIS
CORRIGAN<BR>Bowen Island, BC, Canada<BR><A
href="http://www.chriscorrigan.com">http://www.chriscorrigan.com</A><BR><A
href="mailto:chris@chriscorrigan.com">chris@chriscorrigan.com</A></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">(604)
947-9236<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Gabriela Ender<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:07
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: 2108 -- Remember the
Number</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Thanks
a lot , Harrison and Erich! <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Although I believe
so deep in the power of OST, and I know, that it always works ... that
topic brought special questions to me:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">->
What kind of criteria do we need to "holding space for OST quality"?
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><BR>-> What are
our common or personal evidences for "good quality" and for "it
worked"?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">->
What basic requisites must exist, in order to combine an OST with another,
bigger event?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Certainly, ... it
depends on ..., but </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I would very much
appreciate </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">if we could reflect
some experiences and pretensions (additionaly to our well known OST
principles). That would be very helpful for me.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Background of my
present questions is, that I would not have had the courage to facilitate such
big OST. My inner believe system would have stoped me to do this job - because
I would have had the big fear to "damage the reputation of OST" in any
kind. It is good to share with you my personal presumptions and feelings
regarding this, and to learn from you and others! I am very open for a inner
reframing ;-)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Best
wishes<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Gabriela</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=owenhh@mindspring.com href="mailto:owenhh@mindspring.com">Harrison
Owen</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:03 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
2108 -- Remember the Number<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">At 09:37 AM 5/7/2003 +0200,
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Gabriela</SPAN></FONT>
wrote:<BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><BR
style="mso-special-character: line-break"><![endif]><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">For
me, OST with 10 people is always so very different as with 30. And OST with
90 participants is also so different as with 150. And an one-day is so
different to a two, or three-day OST. And it is so different, if you have
your "own" Open Space or if it is combined with another
event.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>I certainly agree that time makes a
difference (1/2 day, 1 day 2 days) but only (in my experience) in the depth
of conversation. Given more time, people generally do go deeper -- and that
is a real plus. However, at the level of process, I fail to see any
significant difference. It all "works" just like usual. Even the time it
takes to get started is almost identical regardless of size. For a group of
25 I always expect 1 and 1/2 hours from start to "Going to Work." And the
same is true for groups of 250, 500, 1000. With 2108, guess what ? 1 and 1/2
hours.<BR><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><BR
style="mso-special-character: line-break"><![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> What do you
think, is there also a special difference between 1000 and
2000?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>None that I could see -- except
more bodies and more space.<BR><BR
style="mso-special-character: line-break"><![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><BR
style="mso-special-character: line-break"><![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> What I know
is, that your OST was an one-day-event at the end of a very big
4-days-conference. With your new experiences of today - what have you
learned about that imbedded setting?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>An "embedded" (shades of Iraq!)
Open Space is always a problem, and one that I would choose to avoid if
possible. And a 4 day conference is (for me) definitely too long. The
fatigue level really starts to rise. Having said all that I really can't
imagine an Open Space with greater spirit and flow than we experienced. That
did surprise me. I think part of it was, people had spent 3 days sitting in
rows in darkened rooms, listening to speeches. Suddenly breaking into
Open Space was not unlike kids getting out of school.<BR><BR>ho<BR><BR
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