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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Harrison and ALL,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>yesterday we were at a Novosibirsk part of the
meetings which are preceding the Whole Russian Civic Forum of NGOs, which will
be held in November in Moscow with Putin and other important persons. It will be
the second one meeting of Putin and NGOs the first one was a spontanic (?)
organized at least for many of us on the 12 -th of June ( the day of
Independance of Russia (of what?) - it is a question for all Russians until now,
but may be from the USSR, as Russia was not an Independent Republic in Soviet
times in terms of there were no Russian govenments as in all Soviet Republics,
it was only USSR government, and so on, I will not go far to this
history...)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On the first meeting there were sportsmen,
gardeners, representatives of Soros Foundation and cosmonauts - very interesting
NGOs, more likeley representatives of the civic society....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>so yesterday there were a sort of elections of 28
representatives of NGOs of Novosibirsk to represent our region in November
meeting. So on the discussion of several questions, one of them was Institutions
of Civic Society, I made the remark on many "we need to make the Institutions of
CS....." that OFCOUSE WE NEED TO MAKE THE INSTITUTION OF CS, BUT WE ALSO CAN
WORK NOW USING NEW METHODS OF INVOLVING PEOPLE IN PROCESS OF SOLVING THEIR OWN
PROBLEMS TOGETHER WITH ALL FOCUS GROUPS.... and gave the examples of our FSCs
and OSs....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>.... but recieved the remark that we shouldn't do
the promotion of ourselves here, IT IS NOT FOR YOUR SAYINGS, BUT.... so it was
still said AFTER my practical methods using report... - this is the way of some
people - not to hear what is saying, but to hear what they think they are
hearing... </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>so at the end, when there was discussed the method
of gathering for 5,000 people may be in the Congress Palace, Marina proposed OS
as the constructive method of dialogue and recieved the same agressive answer,
and saying that many people don't like the OS as the method, and how it could be
done for so many people.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>my answer is to provide several topics meetings as
we had yesterday - there were at least 5 in big halls, so people could go to
every when they want but also to participate in the one they really interested.
but Moscow representative said, that they have bad opinion about OS - and that
ofcouse possible, when people use the method don't knowing it's essence, just
form and when it is not a proper method to be used, so we do aware in our
country, that it is difficult to restart, then just start, but whatever, we do
our way of promoting and retelling the applicable ways of OSs as we do it in
Khabarovsk on our 5(actually 4) days training on "Effective Communications of
Organizations" when the most angry people there, who did not like OS, now are
writing letters, that it was the most important to learn several applications of
OS and a new method -FSC, which could be finished also by OS.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So now my question. Is this idea OK? when
there will be really crowd of people, but there will not be real dialogue, as
yesterday, when people were limited by 1 minute and evaluation like "you are
promoting yourself"... </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>if there will be like 5 topics:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. . Institutions of Civic Society</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. NGOs in Legislative process</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>3</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>. Civic initiatives
in solving social problems</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>4. Civic expertise and Control on government
affairs (people were very much in this!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>5. Civic education and civic activity</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and different halls and possibility to use
different "talking conners"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>we propose to provide one in Novosibirs for
everybody who cares, but there were a lot of negatives from the "presidium" and
so there were no real discussion on this. Marina wants to talk with regional
authorities as there will be regional meeting soon, to try, so I support her
greatly and if she will have time and forces to do this before her "difficult"
efforts to go to Izrael, as there should be invitation on real stationary paper,
(it is a time for post...) and visa - to go to Moscow- and tickets... and so on
after, so we are ready to try and show (we know it works) but to show for other
people and do you think it is real for 5,000?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>best wishes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>elena</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Novosibirsk</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A href="mailto:owenhh@MINDSPRING.COM" title=owenhh@MINDSPRING.COM>Harrison
Owen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
title=OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:23
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: 550 plus</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>At 12:07 AM 10/16/01 +0100, you wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite type="cite"><FONT face=arial size=2>Specific
concerns centre around the melee of the marketplace; convergence/action
planning; and endings.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>In planning for the convergence
which necessitates prioritization -- I strongly urge that you use a voting
software. Sticky Dots for 600 are a total mess. The one I use comes from TASC
and you can get the details by calling Karl at 703-633-8300 ext 4564. There
will be a charge, but how much depends on what sort of organization you are
working with. <BR><BR>Harrison<BR><BR><X-SIGSEP>
<P></X-SIGSEP>
<DIV align=center>Harrison Owen<BR>7808 River Falls Drive<BR>Potomac, MD 20854
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