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<P>Chris,</P>
<P>Thank you for your reply . . . After re-reading my post, I see I may have come on stronger than I intended . . . Please don't take it personally . . . Your post just hit a dangling nerve.</P>
<P>The world would definitely be a boring place without diversity of knowledge/experience.</P>
<P>Be well all,</P>
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<DIV></DIV>----Original Message Follows----
<DIV></DIV>From: Chris Corrigan <CORCOM@INTERCHANGE.UBC.CA>
<DIV></DIV>Reply-To: OSLIST <OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
<DIV></DIV>To: OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
<DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: The Way of the Warrior: Holding Space for The Fourfold Way
<DIV></DIV>Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 07:27:43 -0700
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<DIV></DIV>Hi Barry:
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Nice to see you on here. Thanks for your reply. I have only a couple of small
<DIV></DIV>points in my own defense.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Barry Owen wrote:
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> I believe your context is Tremendously skewed. I served in the US Army 12
<DIV></DIV>> years. I know MORE people who served with me who I consider to be WARRIORS
<DIV></DIV>> than SOLDIERS (as you define the words). Most of the people I know who fit
<DIV></DIV>> the description of your friend are veterans who saw brutal combat in the
<DIV></DIV>> "soldier" role.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>I have no problem admitting that my context is skewed. I only know one guy as I
<DIV></DIV>said. Although he never saw combat, he was in some combat like situations in
<DIV></DIV>terms of stress and moral positioning. I only know what he tells me, and that
<DIV></DIV>is that he feels singularly unable to adopt to civilian life after what he has
<DIV></DIV>been through, and in his words, after what he has been trained to do. In terms
<DIV></DIV>of the folks who have to go and come back and either die or risk spending their
<DIV></DIV>lives in cognitive dissonance, it is the ones who will face combat that I am
<DIV></DIV>talking about. I appreciate your clarification, and of course I don;t mean to
<DIV></DIV>impugn every soul in the US Armed Forces...it was just a starting point for my
<DIV></DIV>thinking about the Warrior. There are Teachers, Healers and Visionaries in
<DIV></DIV>those organizations too. Bless them all.
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> I could not continue to lurk while such broad "profiling"
<DIV></DIV>> happens. These folks are NOT the typical armed forces personnel. Believe it
<DIV></DIV>> or not, the military is not entirely made up of "war mongers" and "cogs in
<DIV></DIV>> the wheels of the machine" . . . There are many many WARRIORS whose first
<DIV></DIV>> choice would be to stand firm without killing and who WILL kill when and if
<DIV></DIV>> killing is necessary (when their country is attacked and the safety and
<DIV></DIV>> freedom of their people is at risk).
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Exactly right there Barry. I realize, as I said in my original mpost that there
<DIV></DIV>probably is a time for killing and a time for dying. I don;t know what those
<DIV></DIV>are, but I hope those that have to make that call do. That's what they are
<DIV></DIV>trained to do.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Your thinking and two cents in graciously received in these quarters. Thanks
<DIV></DIV>for responding to me with those clarifications. As I said, I don't mean to
<DIV></DIV>"profile" or stereotype, but rather to explore archetypes a little. I guess it
<DIV></DIV>is a fine line when we are talking about only four ways to be in a world of 5
<DIV></DIV>billion spirits.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Chris
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