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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=900122406-30012001>A few
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<DIV>Laurel, thank you for your addition to this wonderful discussion.
The firewalking story is a great example of how <I>instantaneous</I> and
comprehensive these metanoias can be. <SPAN
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class=900122406-30012001>Laurel, Great story and an example of what I hope to
communicate.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=900122406-30012001> </SPAN><BR>I have a different view
than what you express about whether these metanoias can be facilitated, and
also about our ability to share knowledge and skills toward this end. It
may simply be an issue of terminology. Let me respond to your
words.<BR><BR><FONT color=#0000ff>> I don't think that this CAN be
facilitated. I think that the impetus for<BR>> the change must come
from within...<BR><BR></FONT>I agree that the impetus must come from within,
but I believe that these transformations not only CAN be facilitated, but MUST
be facilitated, by someone. I use facilitate here in the sense of
<I>setting the conditions.</I> I suspect that, for your friend, someone
opened the space with great care and intention for his firewalking to be a
possible choice.<BR><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=900122406-30012001><FONT
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=900122406-30012001>I
agree with Chris and the trouble may be "facilitate" - to move to different
words - does a healer do any healing. None that I respect would say they
do. Never the less, we speak of healing as a act done to someone.
The someone actually does the healing. The healer only identifies blocks
to healing and assists with their removal. So with facilitators and
individuals and groups seeking transformation. This is just as true in
spiritual practice - e.g. mediating is easier for beginners in a
group.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=900122406-30012001>Great thread. Hope this
contributes.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=900122406-30012001>Dave
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<P><FONT size=2>"Man's inner nature is identical to the nature of the
universe, and thus man learns about his own nature from nature
herself."<BR>from Rolling Thunder by Doug Boyd</FONT>
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