[OSList] Who is BS-ing Whom?
paul levy
paul at cats3000.net
Fri Jan 21 08:37:13 PST 2022
I quite enjoyed my Covid Booster jab. It was in a nice open space, what
used to be a big clothing store called Top Shop (sadly another casualty of
the rise of online shopping). There was a big poster of some silver
leggings.
A venue put to good use though. It certainly seemed like the right place.
Wherever it happens...
There were lots of smiles over masked noses, which were clearly invites to
smile back. I was invited forward (no one forced me and I used my two
feet). Lovely staff and volunteers and I can never turn down a free offer
(part of my upbringing in North East London).
I sat there, and then it was the right time. And that was it! Nothing more
to do. It was over. Whatever happened happened because it did.
My two feet took me off to breakfast in Pavilion Gardens where I enjoyed
the view and a hot cup of community.
The previous two jabs had been at Brighton Racecourse. It felt more like
slow marching and the bar was closed. Nice folk though. And those jabs were
free too, free of charge, freely invited.
These are my stories, tales of light and dark, up and down, self and other,
in and out, and higher up and further in ..!!!.
Paul
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022, 16:03 john watkins via OSList, <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> Michael, and Mark,
>
> I appreciate your thoughtful and eloquent response and exploration of the
> nature of open space speech and the difference between that and something
> like holocaust denial speech. I think therein lies my concern. As I said to
> Mark, I spoke my concern in “I” statements, so as to make sure that folks
> would know it was my opinion about something, not an attempt to control.
> But I think your raising the question of the illegality in Germany of
> holocaust denial speech is the very point I was trying to make. I think
> there is a very fine line between something like holocaust denial speech
> and hate speech and harmful speech. I would call pandemic denial or vaccine
> denial speech that encourages people not to get vaccinated, and thus be
> more likely to get covid, get hospitalized, and die, while also being more
> likely to infect others along the way, is definitely at least harmful
> speech. The question for me then becomes, is a forum like ours a place
> where that kind of speech is appropriate, as much as we value open space
> and the encouragement of diversity of opinion it is all about?
>
> John W
>
> > On Jan 21, 2022, at 6:45 AM, Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Mark, John and all you other Peacemakers out there,
> >
> > when Harrison took the manuscript of "The Practice of Peace" to his
> publisher Berrett-Koehler at the beginning of the present millenium they
> felt it didn't fit into their program...
> >
> > He and everybody else were surprised about being surprised that this was
> not the end of the book.
> > What happened?
> >
> > Not only believing but knowing what the force of selforganisation is
> capable of doing when finding enough space to unfold, Harrison signaled to
> all of us that the book can be printed and distributed without any strings
> attached.
> > Or in othe words, expanded the space.
> > What happened?
> >
> > In no time flat the book was printed and distributed and later also
> translated by folks in 8 countries around the globe in North America,
> Europe, near and far Asia (from the European point of view), Australia, the
> Caribic ... (see "A NOTE ON THIS PUBLICATION" on the second page of The
> Practice of Peace as published two years later by the Human Systems
> Dynamics Institute).
> >
> > Harrison called this phenomenon the "Global Chaordic
> > Publication".
> >
> > It is the string "Who is BS-ing Whom?" that instantly fired up my
> synapses which resurfaced this phehomenon... and my thoughts later on.
> >
> > Mulling over the current pandemic lets me wonder what incited the worst
> pandemics on the globe.
> > Not surprising myself in any serious fashion I felt it is us ouselves...
> like the creature in Pogo looking in a mirror seeing his enemy, see here
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_have_met_the_enemy
> >
> > And what is it, at the core, that causes this disaster? Which virus is
> that? What is the name of the disease this virus creates?
> > How about "control", the only real enemy of "selforganisation".
> > And who is best at controlling.
> > Yep, us.
> >
> > What was the impedement to publishing "The Practice of Peace"? What
> hindered an established, mainstream and well known publisher to turn down a
> book from an author that had a vision?
> >
> > If we start controlling OSLIST it will lose its meaning.
> >
> > This does not mean that illegal content can be shown on OSLISt.
> > In Germany, for instance, and other countries in which German is the
> main language and a dozen other countries it is illegal and punishable to
> deny the holocaust. It is a crime to spread such "opinions" punished in
> Germany by 3 months up to 5 years imprisonment.
> >
> > It seems to me that I would feel much better if our exchange is as broad
> as possible... it would expand the space for the most powerful and
> sustained force we know of.
> >
> > Greetings from Berlin where neighbors and friends and family come by on
> this sunny winterday with a bit of snow ... curious to see what I look like
> at the end of my 82nd year.
> >
> > Cheers
> > mmp
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 20.01.2022 um 23:57 schrieb Mark Carmel via OSList:
> >> I agree with you John...
> >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 3:38 PM John Watkins <johnw536 at mac.com <mailto:
> johnw536 at mac.com>> wrote:
> >> I’m sorry but I do not think this kind of massive disinformation and
> >> political agenda belongs on this list.
> >> Sent from John's iPhone
> >>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:35 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList
> >>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
> >>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> These are not my thoughts or my words. I Do not know the author.
> But here is food for thought, or better put... here is a shot for
> >>> a thought... that I wanted to share with YOU, the World's greatest
> >>> peacemakers:
> >>>
> >>> Quote from author unknown: ...Among all the vaccines I have
> >>> known in my life (diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, measles,
> >>> rubella, chickenpox, hepatitis, meningitis and tuberculosis), I
> >>> want to also add flu and pneumonia. I have never seen a vaccine
> >>> that forced me to wear a mask and maintain my social distance,
> >>> even when you are fully vaccinated. I had never heard of a vaccine
> >>> that spreads the virus even after vaccination. I had never heard
> >>> of rewards, discounts, incentives to get vaccinated. I never saw
> >>> discrimination for those who didn't. If you haven't been
> >>> vaccinated no one has tried to make you feel like a bad person. I
> >>> have never seen a vaccine that threatens the relationship between
> >>> family, colleagues and friends. I have never seen a vaccine used
> >>> to threaten livelihoods, work or school. I have never seen a
> >>> vaccine that would allow a 12-year-old to override parental
> >>> consent. After all the vaccines I listed above, I have never seen
> >>> a vaccine like this one, which discriminates, divides and judges
> >>> society as it is. And as the social fabric tightens… It's a
> >>> powerful vaccine! She does all these things except IMMUNIZATION.
> >>> If we still need a booster dose after we are fully vaccinated, and
> >>> we still need to get a negative test after we are fully
> >>> vaccinated, and we still need to wear a mask after we are fully
> >>> vaccinated, and still be hospitalized after we have been fully
> >>> vaccinated, it will likely come to ...It's time for us to admit
> >>> that we've been completely deceived... I have decided to never
> >>> refer to this conglomerate of chemicals as a ...vaccine.. again if
> >>> at all possible. It is not a legitimate vaccine, it is a
> >>> manufactured composition of unknown substances pretending to be
> >>> something it IS NOT. So, for me, I will only refer to it as an
> >>> INJECTION, which is being forced upon us to subject us to TOTAL
> >>> AUTHORITATIVE CONTROL of every aspect of our lives until every
> >>> human being on this planet has been made a subject of the ONE
> >>> WORLD GOVERNMENT, ONE WORLD ECONOMY, ONE WORLD RELIGION just as
> >>> has been foretold by many Prophecies in SCRIPTURE for untold
> >>> years. This so-called virus was instituted by design by those
> >>> whose agendum is TOTAL population CONTROL... - B.S.
> >>>
> >>> ...The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will
> >>> hate those who speak it...--George Orwell
> >>>
> >>> MC the MC
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