[OSList] Where Angel's Fear to Tread

Jeff Aitken r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
Fri Nov 19 22:40:11 PST 2021


Hi Mark. The go-to teachers in that realm for me are not facilitators but
rather organizers who use nonviolent action campaigns to build popular
power and make change.

Choosing nonviolent action is a strategic and to some degree a moral
choice. I read historians who show that the violent part of the American
Revolution was probably not necessary, because the American colonies had
already "defeated" Britain -  using economic boycotts and other tactics
they were substantially independent already.

Anyway, I suggest looking into nonviolent action as a method for the level
of conflict you are concerned about. There's a great searchable database of
successful campaigns around the world hosted by Swarthmore at
https://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/

Warmly
Jeff



On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 9:20 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Whenever we as leaders and facilitators open up the safe space for new
> hypotheses and change it's important to remember one thing.. There is a
> constituency, and in most cases a very powerful constituency, for every
> dumb idea In every operating system.. So when thinking of where Angels fear
> to tread, it is wherever we or our participants step on the toes of the
> people and the constituencies that are in control of the status quo... Seek
> to change only what the powerful leaders of a system desire to be changed
> or you and yours will be squashed like a bug... further elevating the
> places where Angel's fear to tread. Or so it seems to me...
> MC
>
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>> PS Chris - love what you shared. Already thinking of design ideas for that
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>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 10:52 AM Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > To come back around to Nora for a moment: She is exploring how a fresh
>> new
>> > hypothesis gets created, one which can be a better fit to a complex
>> > situation in a time of crisis.
>> >
>> > Foundational to a new hypothesis is "the realm of unseen contributors
>> > coalescing to produce the foundations of hypothesis."
>> >
>> > She finds that by intentionally placing different contexts of life side
>> by
>> > side in new configurations - literally doing so in the design of warm
>> data
>> > labs - the tender shoots of new hypothesis formation are nurtured.
>> >
>> > My question: Is this a restatement of the notion that "U shaped"
>> processes
>> > like Bohm dialogue or Open Space can foster conversation that deepens us
>> > beneath our long held assumptions, to explore fresh assumptions? (What
>> some
>> > have called transformative learning, and what HHO originally called
>> > "crossing the open space"?)
>> >
>> > Or is Nora getting at something new and different?
>> >
>> > Nora and colleagues might or might not be versed in the theory and
>> > practice of what Peggy documented in The Change Handbook, with 18 and
>> then
>> > 60+ different processes.
>> >
>> > We have kinda danced around this question, and I want to ask it more
>> > directly.
>> >
>> > Warmly
>> >
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 9:36 AM Chris Corrigan via OSList <
>> > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think I have come to learn that all the work of an Open Space meeting
>> >> happens in the invitation, and the more personal and intentional the
>> >> better.  Recently I had a client work for two months to get 20 very
>> >> powerful people in a room to talk about a major issue in the education
>> >> system, and the Open Space was only six hours, and my work was really
>> only
>> >> 20 minutes of active facilitation.  That to me is a mark of great
>> >> participation and a high chance for sustainability of the results.
>> Hoping
>> >> one day I can coach a client in invitation so well that they don;t even
>> >> need a big face to face meeting, or at the very least, they don't need
>> me
>> >> there.  At that point I will call it "Achieving a Harrison" and award
>> >> myself a badge.  And then go and take a nap.
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:15 AM Thomas Herrmann via OSList <
>> >> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I love this way of clarifying how you can look for inviting the whole
>> >>> system, Peggy! Thanks for sharing! I will make sure I incorporate it
>> in my
>> >>> practice as I think it helps the thinking about how to spread ?the
>> >>> irresistible invitation?. And I also agree its great to involve as
>> many of
>> >>> these stakeholders early in the process, especially as there is often
>> a low
>> >>> level of trust between them.
>> >>>
>> >>> Usually I invite my sponsors quite clearly to not jump up and raise
>> >>> their topics but wait and see what happens, I assure them that I will
>> be
>> >>> very clear to give space for everyone and not closing the agenda
>> creation
>> >>> without very clear last opportunities ? so they can rest assured that
>> all
>> >>> of their important topics can be posted. So if they miss anything at
>> the
>> >>> end, they can add. I agree with others, they are mostly surprised by
>> the
>> >>> richness of the agenda created by participants.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> One piece I have included in my designs the last years is to have a
>> >>> ?sync-meeting? some time the last week before the OST, to give them an
>> >>> opportunity to share their hopes and fears for the upcoming OST and
>> clarify
>> >>> any practicalities they may be wondering about. This is much
>> appreciated
>> >>> and givs them more of a feeling of safety and it increases their
>> curiosity,
>> >>> openness and peace ?.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> With appreciation for all of the wisdom in this circle
>> >>>
>> >>> Thomas Herrmann
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> *Fr?n:* OSList <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> *F?r *Peggy
>> >>> Holman via OSList
>> >>> *Skickat:* den 18 november 2021 23:08
>> >>> *Till:* Open Space Listserv <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> >>> *Kopia:* Peggy Holman <peggy at peggyholman.com>
>> >>> *?mne:* Re: [OSList] Where angels fear to tread
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Like Michael, I have had the experience of leaders making a list
>> behind
>> >>> the scenes and being surprised that participants not only posted
>> everything
>> >>> on their list but also things that they hadn?t thought of that turned
>> out
>> >>> to matter to them. And, of course, the experience of witnessing the
>> >>> passion, interest, and creativity of people often surprises everyone
>> who is
>> >>> in an Open Space meeting for the first time.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Jeff, to your question about requisite variety of topics in an Open
>> >>> Space, I see that as a matter of being mindful about invitation. The
>> >>> biggest investment of preparation time for the Open Spaces I?m
>> involved
>> >>> with are inviting, as Harrison would say, ?the people who care.?
>> Whomever
>> >>> I?m working with, I encourage them to do the work of thinking through,
>> >>> given their purpose, who makes up the system ? who are the people who
>> care?
>> >>> In many cases, that may include involving a microcosm in shaping the
>> >>> organizing question and invitation so that it resonates with the
>> people of
>> >>> the system.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I take my cue on how to think about who makes up the system from Marv
>> >>> Weisbord and Sandra Janoff?s rubric of inviting the people who ?ARE
>> IN? ?
>> >>> with *A*uthority, *R*esources, *E*xpertise, *I*nformation, and *
>> N*eed.
>> >>> I also suggest an overlay for considering demographic diversity. For
>> >>> thinking about that, I draw from the Maynard Institute?s ?Fault
>> lines? -
>> >>> race, class, gender, geography, and generation and two ?fissures? -
>> >>> politics and religion. Not all dimensions apply to every situation but
>> >>> bringing them up enables the people planning the Open Space to make a
>> >>> conscious choice about whom they invite and how.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> This is a long-winded way of saying that my experience is that by
>> doing
>> >>> the work to invite a requisite variety of people, a requisite variety
>> of
>> >>> topics will show up. And then, to the principle of whoever comes is
>> the
>> >>> right people, I let go of worrying about it.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Birgitt ? to words and embodied experience, yes you are saying what I
>> >>> meant: *it is not the words used that are most likely to help, rather
>> >>> the embodied experience*. For example, describing the experience of
>> >>> Open Space and what it produces can be enough for some. For most of
>> us,
>> >>> hearing a description or even seeing a video doesn?t come close to
>> being
>> >>> there. It is a multi-dimensional experience that involves, head,
>> heart,
>> >>> body, spirit. Rarely does this come across in a description. A story
>> might
>> >>> communicate more of it. But I?m guessing most people discover some
>> aspect
>> >>> they hadn?t expected from just reading, hearing, or watching a video
>> about
>> >>> it.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Appreciatively,
>> >>>
>> >>> Peggy
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ________________________________
>> >>>
>> >>> Peggy Holman
>> >>> Co-founder
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>> >>> JTM Twitter: @JTMStream
>> >>>
>> >>> Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into
>> >>> Opportunity <http://www.engagingemergence.com>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Nov 17, 2021, at 1:52 PM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
>> >>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear Birgitt,
>> >>>
>> >>> your two sentences:
>> >>>
>> >>> "My perspective: following the principles of OST, spirit shows up in
>> the
>> >>> moment, inspiring people to post exactly the topics that need to be
>> posted
>> >>> at that moment in time. This dynamic is altered when relying on
>> anyone to
>> >>> pre-post topics, or to set meta-topics, catering to limitation rather
>> than
>> >>> abundance of possibilities."
>> >>>
>> >>> had some memories come up.
>> >>>
>> >>> In at least three of the ost events I was involved in it turned out
>> that
>> >>> the sponsors prepared a set of "issuse" they felt should be part of
>> the
>> >>> event before the event... in case nobody would post them.
>> >>> To the surprises of the sponsors all their issues were posted by the
>> >>> participants.
>> >>> In addition, they themselves experienced that other issues entered
>> their
>> >>> mind during the process that they then posted.
>> >>> In many other ost events sponors were very surprised about the broad
>> >>> passion, interest, creativity, etc. and most of all selforganisation
>> that
>> >>> manifested...
>> >>>
>> >>> For what actually happens when ost is part of the everyday life of an
>> >>> organisation over a number of years with a special focus on the vast
>> system
>> >>> of that enterprise have a look here
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Practicing-Open-Space-Our-First-Ten-Years-E-Book
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> in English, French, Polish, Spanish and Chinese ... translated from
>> the
>> >>> German Original by ost-colleagues all of you know
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers from Berlin
>> >>> mmp
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Am 17.11.2021 um 21:32 schrieb Birgitt Williams via OSList:
>> >>>
>> >>> Jeff...thanks for sharing the article and for the discussion that
>> >>> emanated from the question you posed to the OS list. I have enjoyed
>> the
>> >>> responses and look forward to more conversation showing up. You have
>> added
>> >>> more great questions.
>> >>> You asked:Do we assume that the passion and responsibility of a
>> gathered
>> >>> group will create the requisite variety of topics/contexts to generate
>> >>> excellent Warm Data from a theme question, and foster these unseen
>> >>> transcontextual sources of systems changing creativity?
>> >>> Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying
>> >>> topics/contexts to invite that fruitful variety?
>> >>> What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate
>> post
>> >>> and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get posted,
>> and does
>> >>> that limit the potential and health of the system?
>> >>> My perspective: following the principles of OST, spirit shows up in
>> the
>> >>> moment, inspiring people to post exactly the topics that need to be
>> posted
>> >>> at that moment in time. This dynamic is altered when relying on
>> anyone to
>> >>> pre-post topics, or to set meta-topics, catering to limitation rather
>> than
>> >>> abundance of possibilities.
>> >>> Peggy...I am intrigued by your sentences "Sometimes more and different
>> >>> words can help. More often, it takes an embodied experience." I would
>> like
>> >>> to understand more. My current understanding is that it is not the
>> words
>> >>> used that are most likely to help, rather the embodied experience. Is
>> this
>> >>> what you mean?
>> >>> in genuine contact,
>> >>> Birgitt
>> >>> Picture*
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>> >>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 7:31 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> >>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
>> >>>    Now I am considering whether there is a (hopefully) funny joke
>> >>>    lurking here somewhere.
>> >>>    The facilitator asked the sponsor, "do you want a book of
>> >>>    proceedings created from your event?" And the sponsor said "no, I'm
>> >>>    going for the aphanipoesis, but thanks."
>> >>>    But seriously folks, do we assume that the passion and
>> >>>    responsibility of a gathered group will create the requisite
>> variety
>> >>>    of topics/contexts to generate excellent Warm Data from a theme
>> >>>    question, and foster these unseen transcontextual sources of
>> systems
>> >>>    changing creativity?
>> >>>    Or does the sponsor need to think up and post the outlying
>> >>>    topics/contexts to invite that fruitful variety?
>> >>>    What are the upsides and downsides of having a passionate advocate
>> >>>    post and host each topic of conversation? What topics don't get
>> >>>    posted, and does that limit the potential and health of the system?
>> >>>    What can the OST methodology teach the WDL methodology, and vice
>> >>> versa?
>> >>>    Early morning questions,
>> >>>    Jeff
>> >>>    On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 5:45 PM Peggy Holman via OSList
>> >>>    <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>>    <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
>> >>>         From what I can glean in Bateson?s article and what I have
>> >>>        heard about Warm Data, what happens does sound parallel to what
>> >>>        occurs when people meet in Open Space.
>> >>>        I find her writing frustrating. But when one is attempting to
>> >>>        give language to new ideas, it?s rough. The effort falls into a
>> >>>        pattern she discusses: our tendency to want to relate to the
>> >>>        ideas through habitual lenses. Sometimes more and different
>> >>>        words can help. More often, it takes an embodied experience.
>> >>>        Perhaps a Warm Data Lab?
>> >>>        I find her insight that we need a word for life coalescing
>> >>>        towards vitality in unseen ways intriguing. By naming it, I
>> hope
>> >>>        it will become more seen. Sounds like something we want to
>> >>>        notice and grow.
>> >>>        Thanks for sending the article Jeff.
>> >>>        ________________________________
>> >>>        Peggy Holman
>> >>>        Co-founder
>> >>>        Journalism That Matters
>> >>>        Bellevue, WA  98006
>> >>>        206-948-0432
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>> >>> http://www.journalismthatmatters.org>
>> >>>        www.peggyholman.com <http://www.peggyholman.com>
>> >>>        Twitter: @peggyholman
>> >>>        JTM Twitter: @JTMStream
>> >>>        Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval
>> >>>        into Opportunity <http://www.engagingemergence.com>
>> >>>
>> >>>        On Nov 16, 2021, at 2:48 PM, Chris Corrigan via OSList
>> >>>        <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>>        <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>        Thanks for sharing this Jeff. I have known about Nora's work
>> >>>        for sometime and although I don't fully understand it yet I
>> >>>        think what I do know of it, it's great.).
>> >>>
>> >>>        WHy does she choose the words she chooses? I think because
>> >>>        this is how she has come to an understanding about the simple
>> >>>        truths that Warm Data works with. God know we have some pretty
>> >>>        funny language amongst us all to explain things like "let
>> >>>        people look after things they care about."  But, Jeff, the
>> >>>        first piece you posted of hers makes a lot of sense to me and
>> >>>        is a concise description of Warm Data process, and is very
>> >>>        helpful to me having an "aha" about it.
>> >>>
>> >>>        Chris
>> >>>
>> >>>        On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 1:37 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList
>> >>>        <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>>        <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>            Also I note that Nora is still very early in the practice
>> >>>            of a methodology that she invented (I think.)
>> >>>
>> >>>            Maybe it's like the first five-ten years of OST as folks
>> >>>            were figuring out what the hell this is all about... : )
>> >>>
>> >>>            And from the lens of an artist and family therapy
>> >>>            researcher whose father was Gregory Bateson. That makes
>> >>>            sense to me...
>> >>>
>> >>>            Warmly
>> >>>            Jeff
>> >>>
>> >>>            On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 1:21 PM Jeff Aitken
>> >>>            <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com <mailto:r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
>> >>> <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>>>
>> >>>            wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>                Hi Birgitt. My first guess is that it serves
>> >>>                practitioners to be simple, while it serves systems
>> >>>                scientists to be complicated or complex.
>> >>>
>> >>>                They are writing about living systems at all scales
>> >>>                and making very subtle distinctions.
>> >>>
>> >>>                It may serve us practitioners to have some
>> >>>                appreciation for the latter. "Your mileage may vary"
>> >>>                tho, as a friend says!
>> >>>
>> >>>                Warmly
>> >>>                Jeff
>> >>>
>> >>>                On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 1:10 PM Birgitt Williams
>> >>>                <birgittwilliams at gmail.com
>> >>>                <mailto:birgittwilliams at gmail.com
>> >>> <birgittwilliams at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>                    Jeff..I don't understand why it serves to be so
>> >>>                    complicated? Why not simply refer to seen and
>> unseen?
>> >>>
>> >>>                    Birgitt
>> >>>
>> >>>                    On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, 3:57 PM Jeff Aitken via
>> >>>                    OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>>                    <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>                        One more email - I was amiss to mention this
>> >>>                        new theory by Nora, without defining the word
>> >>>                        she is introducing, and she finds occurring in
>> >>>                        Warm Data Lab and I think is true in OST too.
>> >>>
>> >>>                        It is "a way to describe a life giving
>> >>>                        process, by which vitality, healing, and
>> >>>                        creativity come into being by the coalescence
>> >>>                        of multiple unseen factors."
>> >>>
>> >>>                        "Aphanipoiesis combines two words from ancient
>> >>>                        Greek to describe this way in which life
>> >>>                        coalesces toward vitality in unseen ways.
>> >>>                        (Aphanis comes from a Greek root meaning
>> >>>                        obscured, unseen, unnoticed; poiesis is from
>> >>>                        one meaning to bring forth, to make.)"
>> >>>
>> >>>                        Yes it's an academic term, and is presented at
>> >>>                        a systems science conference and in a journal
>> >>>                        article.
>> >>>
>> >>>                        Useful for practitioners to think about and to
>> >>>                        notice in our work? That's my question for the
>> >>>                        oslist.
>> >>>
>> >>>                        It reminds me of Harrison's definition of
>> >>>                        "peace" in The Practice of Peace. With an
>> >>>                        emphasis on the unseen, internal, very subtle
>> >>>                        shifts that take place that are NOT reflected
>> >>>                        in proceedings and action plans.
>> >>>
>> >>>                        Warmly, Jeff.
>> >>>
>> >>>                        Reference:
>> >>>
>> >>>                        Bateson, N.,(2021). Aphanipoiesis. In Journal
>> >>>                        of the International Society for the Systems
>> >>>                        Sciences, Proceedings of the 64th Annual
>> >>>                        Meeting of the ISSS, Virtual (Vol. 1, ?1) ?
>> >>>                        under review.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>                        This work was presented at the Annual
>> >>>                        Biosemiotics Conference June 2021, the Annual
>> >>>                        Conference of the International Society of
>> >>>                        Systems Sciences July 2021, and the Annual
>> >>>                        conference of the Institute of General
>> >>>                        Semantics September 2021.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>                        On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 11:16 PM Jeff Aitken
>> >>>                        <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
>> >>>                        <mailto:r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
>> >>> <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>                            As a refresher or quick intro to the
>> >>>                            process, Warm Data Lab starts with a group
>> >>>                            of folks and a theme question. But the
>> >>>                            topics of conversation are chosen in
>> >>>                            advance by sponsor and facilitator. Each
>> >>>                            breakout table (or area) gets a topic
>> >>>                            written on a sign: which names a context
>> >>>                            from which to address the theme question.
>> >>>
>> >>>                            So if the theme is drug abuse, the chosen
>> >>>                            wide variety of contexts might be:
>> >>>                            education, prisons, public health,
>> >>>                            initiation, addiction, pharmaceuticals,
>> >>>                            parenting, ceremony, etc. People go to the
>> >>>                            breakouts of their choice and stay or move
>> >>>                            as they wish. The law of mobility is used.
>> >>>                            A closing circle might end the event after
>> >>>                            some number of hours.
>> >>>
>> >>>                            It has some qualities of OST and World
>> >>>                            Cafe while being different.
>> >>>
>> >>>                            I've only been in one WDL so other folks
>> >>>                            might improve my description.
>> >>>
>> >>>                            Jeff
>> >>>
>> >>>                            On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, 7:22 PM Jeff Aitken
>> >>>                            <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
>> >>>                            <mailto:r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
>> >>> <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>                                Where does systemic change take place?
>> >>>                                I am reflecting on earlier posts about
>> >>>                                the Warm Data Lab and comparing -
>> >>>                                contrasting this work with other
>> >>>                                hosted conversation processes like OST.
>> >>>
>> >>>                                What seems different - please correct
>> >>>                                this if it's wrong - is the level of
>> >>>                                attention paid to the complex ways in
>> >>>                                which WDL might help bring about
>> >>>                                change. Looking well beyond action
>> >>>                                plans and carefully harvested
>> >>>                                proceedings etc.
>> >>>
>> >>>                                This may be a fruitful area of inquiry
>> >>>                                for OST folks. (The subject line here
>> >>>                                is from a reference in a book by Nora
>> >>>                                Bateson's late father Gregory.)
>> >>>
>> >>>                                Nora Bateson just shared a video and
>> >>>                                long essay, coming out prior to her
>> >>>                                essay being published soon in a
>> >>>                                journal. She is introducing a new term
>> >>>                                "aphanipoiesis" to the conversation of
>> >>>                                systemic transformation.
>> >>>
>> >>>                                The essay is here:
>> >>>
>> >>> https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc
>> >>>                                <
>> >>> https://norabateson.medium.com/aphanipoiesis-96d8aed927bc>
>> >>>
>> >>>                                Some teaser paragraphs for us. Can
>> >>>                                this also be said about OST, but we
>> >>>                                just don't??
>> >>>
>> >>>                                "Rewilding the Interior
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>                                In the words of the Warm Data hosting
>> >>>                                theory, we tend the ?about? so that
>> >>>                                what is re-configured is in the
>> >>>                                ?within.? It does not really matter
>> >>>                                what people talk ?about? in a Warm
>> >>>                                Data Lab. There is nothing to capture
>> >>>                                at that level. What matters is the way
>> >>>                                the participants are internally sewing
>> >>>                                together the different conversations
>> >>>                                and contexts. On a transcript this
>> >>>                                information is inaccessible.
>> >>>
>> >>>                                "In the Warm Data processes,
>> >>>                                communication in explicit form is not
>> >>>                                held to be the communication of
>> >>>                                interest. That level of conversation
>> >>>                                is there as a skeleton, onto which the
>> >>>                                stories not told reshape the person
>> >>>                                who did not tell them, the alterations
>> >>>                                in tone, the re-tilted perception is
>> >>>                                given free rein to rub memories and
>> >>>                                stories against each other. One
>> >>>                                comment that comes up repeatedly is,
>> >>>                                ?Your story changed my story.? Through
>> >>>                                this ?side-by-side-ing,? stories told
>> >>>                                change stories almost told, and their
>> >>>                                bearers are able to reshape their
>> >>>                                impressions in ways that are untamed.
>> >>>                                By careful tending of the ?about? and
>> >>>                                ?within,? the rich world of memory and
>> >>>                                story re-wilds.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>                                "The gaps are where the hope of
>> >>>                                systemic transformation is waiting. In
>> >>>                                the Warm Data processes, participants
>> >>>                                are given a structure to re-stitch, to
>> >>>                                re-wild, to begin a new abductive
>> >>>                                process into these gaps. Again, by
>> >>>                                placing the contexts of life
>> >>>                                side-by-side in new configurations,
>> >>>                                the aphanipoietic processes are given
>> >>>                                room, without conscious purpose or
>> >>>                                goals or defined outcomes, without
>> >>>                                scripts or roles or trends ? to allow
>> >>>                                the tender new beginnings of another
>> >>>                                abductive description to form mutually.
>> >>>
>> >>>                                "Through this work, I have found I
>> >>>                                needed this term to embark on a deeper
>> >>>                                study of the importance of
>> >>>                                aphanipoiesis. The changes I witness
>> >>>                                occurring in the Warm Data processes
>> >>>                                are completely unpredictable and
>> >>>                                profound. They suggest ever more
>> >>>                                vividly that there is a real, if
>> >>>                                unseen, mingling of the body, culture,
>> >>>                                education, family ? and a whole batch
>> >>>                                of transcontextual experience that is
>> >>>                                guiding all other actions. It is to
>> >>>                                this change that I have devoted my
>> >>>                                efforts toward systemic
>> transformation."
>> >>>
>> >>>                                Warmly,
>> >>>                                Jeff
>> >>>                                Yelamu / San Francisco
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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