[OSList] Okay...Forget Certification then...How about Co-Creating a NEW OST ASSOCIATION? Such as...THE International Association for Peace and Human Understanding...?

Barry Owen barryowenost at gmail.com
Tue Aug 20 08:10:40 PDT 2019


I've been mulling this over for months now.
Have come to what I think is a conclusion that blaming the mayhem on
"Organisations" is akin to "shooting the messenger" . . . making it a
martyr.
After all, any time there's more than one person present, it's essentially
the birth of an "organisation".
I think the real problem is that of scale.
It seems to me that, as the number "Members" increases in any "gathering",
the perceived "need" for organisation becomes more prevalent.
As that dynamic evolves, the people seem to "forget" what "brung'm here" .
. . That is . . . those things that have never changed

Breath
Circle
Bulletin Board
Marketplace
Expect to be (be prepared to be) surprised

fall by the wayside as more and more "social constructs" emerge thereby
converting Open Space to Command and control.
Oh yeah . . . and "keeping up with the Joneses"

My opinion is that the "mandate" of "just open more space anywhere and
everywhere" is an open invitation for all of us (humanity) to remember to:

Breathe
Name the Theme (Important, Complex, Diversity of People/Opinions, potential
for conflict, need for resolution NOW)
Invite whoever cares
Gather in a circle
Create the Bulletin Board
Open the marketplace
Get to work!

and the best news is that everyone already knows how to do this . . . we've
just gotta remind them.

So . . . I think more organisations will "get" this as we open more space
every day.

They're not broken or corrupt!

Bless their hearts . . . They're simply forgetful, and all we've gotta do
is remind them.

or something . . .

b


On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:03 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> my assumption regarding "organisation" is that they are the work of the
> devil.
> They are omnipresent. There is practically nothing that can do without
> an "organisation". Government, churches, mafia, health care, schools,
> prisons, military, restaurants, foundations, associations, universities,
> concentration camps, secret service, sports, museums, shipyards,
> daycare, labour unions, political parties, courts, NGOs, NATO, ... you
> name it.
> Thinking beyond "organisations" seems impossible.
> Working for, in, against, with, through, in spite of, etc.
> "organisations" is omnipresent.
> And to make things even worse, they all are selforganising, right?
> And despite or because of their existence we have wars, starvation,
> pollution, glaciers disappearing, crime, corruption, you name it.
> Now, organisations not created by the devil but lets say by God would
> not create such a mess.
> One of the most lucrative businesses just about everywhere is
> consulting. Huge consulting firms work with/for/ect. huge businesses,
> governments, NGOs. Millions of folks work in that field helping them to
> become better, faster, etc. in the business they are involved in.
>
> Now, is ost something that consulting firms are into?
>
> There are some forms of "systems" such as neighborhoods, circles of
> friends, collegial counselling groups, OSonOS (local, regional,
> worldwide), people playing soccer with a tin can on a vacant lot,
> families, demonstrations (HongKong, Fridays for Future...), Stammtische...
> I smile in such settings, happy myself, grow myself... in such
> "settings" and also frustrate myself now and then. Especially when
> "control" enters the stage.
> And at some point many such "systems" or "settings" ossify when they
> take on the form of "organisations". In other words, the devil takes over.
> Some of us smell that when it approaches and say "no". And move on or
> drop out or fight or...
>
> Ok, this is stuff that comes up when I look at my "assumption" regarding
> "organisation".
>
> I would like to hear more about your "assumptions" that come up when
> "organisation" enters your mind.
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
>
>
> Am 20.08.2019 um 00:04 schrieb R Chaffe via OSList:
> > Chris,
> > I look forward to Mark’s reply to your question.  It seems to me that
> that the question mixes up the who and the what.  Mark uses a few examples
> including a mechanic, the first question I have is what experience the
> trade person has my second is an example of their work.  OST is at one
> level about the “how” the job is done and I think that is one level the
> question comes from.  Being able to Open Space and engage effectively with
> the sponsor and the community of concern is an other level again.
> >
> > There is a level of trust between the sponsor and the facilitator that
> the result the sponsor wants will be delivered.  The sponsor might ask how
> did you do that? I suggest that they are more interested on what you as
> facilitator delivered based on the contract.
> >
> > In many ways focusing on the how is counter productive the “what” is the
> thing that pays the bills and builds reputations.
> >
> > If my thinking is correct the struggle is to define a professional
> facilitator who can deliver is the issue not what tools they use when it
> comes to a contract.
> >
> > Regards
> > Rob
> >
> >> On 20 Aug 2019, at 2:31 am, Chris Corrigan via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Whenever I want to know if my work of Hosting an Open Space Technology
> meeting was useful, I give the participants a form that sinplay says
> “complete the following sentence. As a result of this meeting...”
> >>
> >> The only people who should be judging the efficacy of an OST meeting
> are the people who called it in the first place to get their work done. In
> my experience, they are happy if the meeting has helped them.
> >>
> >> My work is always directed towards client needs. Some times we do Open
> Space. Sometimes we do it in a way that would drive a “by the book” person
> crazy. But it’s about the clients. I doubt there is a way my process could
> be formalized in a way that works better for my clients than sitting down
> and listening to their needs.
> >>
> >> There is already a network of Open Space Institutes who steward this
> practice. There is an international association of facilitators who can
> join if you want certification.
> >>
> >> I find myself constantly wanting to defend this radical openness. Mark,
> what is behind your string desire for something more formal than what we
> already have?
> >>
> >> Chris.
> >>
> >>
> >> _____________
> >> CHRIS CORRIGAN
> >> www.chriscorrigan.com
> >>
> >>> On Aug 19, 2019, at 8:29 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 1st of all thank you for everyone who gave me feedback on my big idea
> for certification. It was sincerely appreciated. However I can see it was
> something that did not  Resonate well.
> >>>
> >>> Open space technology has clearly set the standard for the
> facilitation of peace and human understanding. It is such a powerful and
> simple tool but highly complex. As Harrison says..  chaos plows the fields
> of the mind so that new ideas can grow... I think there is ample chaos for
> us to tackle right now.
> >>>
> >>> I think it is highly important for the leadership of our open space
> world to make a decision now while we still have Harrison among us as a
> living spirit. Because we have already set the standards why not cement the
> standards and turn it into an everlasting association that could be
> organized to deliver training, etc. To advance the mission of human peace
> and understanding in a more organized way?
> >>>
> >>> If you want to be a beautician or a mechanic or a rocket scientist or
> a city manager there are associations for that .
> >>>
> >>> Why not an association for open space technology practitioners to
> define the standards, the ethics, code of conduct, the way that Harrison
> has already articulated them, but to formalize them and help us get
> organized and stay organized until we get the job done?
> >>>
> >>> Respectfully submitted,
> >>> Mark Carmel
> >>>
> >>>
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