[OSList] Tips for working with Translators during Open Space event

Andrew Rixon via OSList oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Tue Feb 23 19:02:07 PST 2016


Nice one Rob.

Have you popped the Shepparton east one into the database?
http://openspaceworldscape.org/

See you soon at our next OS Yum cha! ;-)

Warm regards,
Andrew


On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:42 PM, R Chaffe <rchaffe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Andrew
>
> In Shepparton east I worked with a translator with newly arrived people
> fro Italy - told less jokes and allowed more space.
>
> In India it was completely different when working in the villages as
> English was not common.  I had translators translating into Hindi and then
> re translating into the local dialect.  It was so much fun once I settled
> into the fact that I needed to allow three times the time if I talked.
> Consequently I reduced my talking time by a factor of three and it worked
> like a charm,  the news sessions were interesting as the jokes were lie a
> ripple effect with me being the last person to hear the joke.  Again more
> time and it was amazing how the other ways of communicating became so much
> more evident especially smiles and an easy stance.
>
> By the way the outcome of the main session was a complete change in how
> they propagated their trees for revegetation projects from tube trees they
> had to carry in for miles to open rooted stock that was grown next to the
> school (students involved) using almost the same system they had been using
> for germinating rice - a system that is thousands of years old.  They could
> do it cheaper and more productively their way!
>
> Regards
> Rob
>
> > On 24 Feb 2016, at 11:31 am, Andrew Rixon via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds great Michael.
> >
> > And totally agree.
> >
> > Will pop it into the database!
> >
> > And maybe a few other Aussies lurking could do the same :-)
> >
> > Warm regards
> > Andrew
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 24 Feb 2016, at 10:00 AM, Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> My pleasure, Andrew.
> >>
> >> Its no secret that a lot of os-work is happening all over the planet.
> And its also no secret in general that we os-practitioners are a shy crowd,
> hiding most of the tremendous stuff we are doing. I keep wondering why only
> a tiny fraction of our work is documented... seems to me that documenting
> more of what we do is a simple way of spreading the word. The 793 events
> recorded by some 60 of us in the worldscape represent probably only 0,001%
> of what is actually taking place.
> >>
> >> Greetings from Berlin
> >> mmp
> >>
> >>> On 23.02.2016 22:02, Andrew Rixon wrote:
> >>> Thanks Michael.
> >>>
> >>> And thanks also for sharing the openspaceworldscape link.
> >>>
> >>> Australia looks a bit scarce on the map - but there is plenty happening
> >>> here. ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Warm regards,
> >>> Andrew
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Michael M Pannwitz
> >>> <mmpannwitz at gmail.com <mailto:mmpannwitz at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   Dear Andrew, Lisa, Birgitt and you others,
> >>>
> >>>   a few years ago I was asked to facilitate an event in the
> northeastern
> >>>   corner of Poland with folks across the border from Lithuania also
> >>>   attending. The sponsor asked two translators to translate my
> US-American
> >>>   introduction into Polish and Lithuanian. They walked the circle
> behind
> >>>   me as Lisa also described. One effect was that I constantly had
> little
> >>>   breaks to focus on the next thing to say and the participants had
> >>>   various inputs they could understand in different languages (my
> >>>   assumption: all understood their mother tongue, of course and most
> had
> >>>   at least some rudimentary language skills in the other languages
> >>>   spoken).
> >>>   All posters were in the three languages and issues were written on
> >>>   sheets that had been folded into three spaces, so that translations
> >>>   could be added by other participants.
> >>>   I was wondering how they would manage in the breakout sessions. To my
> >>>   surprise, a number of the breakout sessions used Russian... so there
> was
> >>>   a common language? On inquiry, I was told that it would never do to
> use
> >>>   Russian in an event like this, at least not in the "official" parts.
> >>>   Ok, be prepared to be surprised.
> >>>
> >>>   Here is a short summary of some aspects of this event back in 2002 as
> >>>   recorded in the Open Space worldscape
> >>>
> >>>
> http://openspace-landschaft.de/an_veran.asp?veranstaltungId=1041&sprache=en&von_seite=ue_veranstaltung.asp&ds=10&branche=&begleiterId=9&anzeigeOrtId=0
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   Reading through this report I noticed that I did not include the
> >>>   part about Russian in my note... hmmm? Political correctness?
> >>>
> >>>   A few years later, Harrison came to Berlin and did his three day
> >>>   Practice of Peace event. Every day starts with a lecture followed by
> >>>   an open space on the theme of the lecture. On the first day,
> >>>   Harrison introduced the process, on the second day a colleague from
> >>>   Russia did it in Russian and on the third day I did it without using
> >>>   spoken words.
> >>>   To me, the most memorable moment was during the Russian introduction
> >>>   (not being translated) when pretty much at the beginning a
> >>>   participant ran to the Russian colleague, kneeled in front of her
> >>>   pleading, in English, to please translate her introduction. At that
> >>>   moment, his friend that he sat next to in the circle called out:
> >>>   "Hey, come back here, I know Russian and can translate for you if
> >>>   you like!"
> >>>   This was a hilarious intervention that not only stopped the space
> >>>   invader but also demonstrated how hidden the ressources in the group
> >>>   are even for people in the know (friends).
> >>>
> >>>    From all this and other situations I learned to ask questions when
> >>>   the issue of translation arose (especially when the sponsor of the
> >>>   event does not come from the local context). This often leads to
> >>>   "one less thing to do" and to make more space for the forces of
> >>>   selforganisation to do its thing.
> >>>
> >>>   Yes, lets hear how things went and I invite you to deposit a note
> >>>   about this event in the Open Space worldscape, a data base with
> >>>   presently 793 events recorded, here is the link, its in English and
> >>>   German
> >>>
> >>>       http://openspaceworldscape.org/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   cheers
> >>>   mmp
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   22.02.2016 22 <tel:22.02.2016%2022>:18, Andrew Rixon via OSList
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>       Hi All,
> >>>
> >>>       I'm helping a client prepare for an Open Space event - 400
> people,
> >>>       and within the audience there will be a group of 10-20 koreans
> who
> >>>       will require a translator.
> >>>
> >>>       I'd love to hear stories and tips on what people have found to
> work
> >>>       well...
> >>>
> >>>       Warm regards, Andrew
> >>>
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Andrew Rixon PhD
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*Come join Bob Dick and I on April 12th and 13th in Melbourne for:*
"Kickstarting Change that Lasts: How to flatten hierarchies, build
relationships and get work done!
<http://kickstartingchangemelbourne2016.eventbrite.com.au>"
<http://kickstartingchangemelbourne2016.eventbrite.com.au>
An innovative program on applying Open Space Technology and Action Learning
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