[OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

Wed Aug 31 15:59:06 PDT 2016

all true, birgitt.  i was talking about the bare minimum in a general
sense.  i've never seen a story without some people, so people would seem
to be first requirement to have a meeting (or at least person).  and if you
stop there, just people, no story, and you get yourself an unconference.
 add a story about some purpose and you get an open space meeting.  can
then add anything else after that, as you like, if you want, but eventually
at your own risk.  <grin> m

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On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Lucas,
> I cannot seem to stay on the intended topic of this thread...to get ideas.
> I am aware of how short lived creations can be, before they morph into
> something else. I also realized I asked insufficient questions in a prior
> post. The questions I feel need to be answered are:
> Lucas...what are you passionate about with this work you are into, what
> brings a fire to your heart and soul? And then go with it, whatever it may
> be. Someone and maybe many someones will say 'this is just what I need!".
> Follow your bliss and they will come. When something is created from heart
> centered 'this is what I am in the world to do' and 'this is my bit for
> creating a more nourishing future for humanity' you are on the right track.
>
> Michael...in that training you did where the 'we' of that group concluded
> that OST could be distilled to people and story, that is one example that
> comes out of doing that exercise. having done this exercise with lots of
> people, the results are diverse, with different people and groups of people
> reaching different conclusions. One of the things I say to the facilitators
> is that no one except them can make the choice of what constitutes and OST
> meeting and what does not based on whatever elements they personally feel
> are necessary. It depends very much on what their hearts are calling them
> to create.
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> What feels like space that is open to one person feels like closed space
> to another person.
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> I believe Chris Corrigan spoke about the artistry.
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> What I can imagine that would open space for me is a drumming circle. No
> topics, no reports, etc. Just someone present all of the time (alternating
> people) who are willing to keep the drumming circle going. As different
> ones of us join in, each with our own drums, choosing video feed or not,
> people join in the beat, maybe aligning with the heartbeat of the earth.
> Somewhere on the screen, there could be a space  for capturing reflections
> that happened during the participation of the individual...in words and in
> drawings and other graphics. I could imagine this gaining quite a
> following...although if your intent is money making, it might need to be
> donation based.
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> Blessings,
> Birgitt
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> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:56 PM Michael Herman via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>> I watched a video yesterday from a recent conference, a traditional
>> affair with all shapes and sizes of workshop/presentation sessions.  This
>> one I was watching had a sort of panel presentation, with five different
>> people sharing stories.  All of their stories were accompanied by a
>> powerpoint backdrop, but that is sort of forgivable since their topic was
>> specifically about visualization of complex work and dynamics.  Would have
>> been weird without some visuals to their stories of visualizations.
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>> The interesting thing is that one of the panelists was across an ocean.
>> He presented on the big screen, shared his screen to show his examples, and
>> all through the session he watched the audience and the other speakers on
>> his laptop.  He asked questions of the audience and got a show of hands.
>> He was totally there.
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>> So some of the wondering about face-to-face or online sounds like to me a
>> bit like asking if open space needs a fancy retreat setting or could it
>> happen in a ballroom or church basement or middle school gymnasium.  Online
>> in just another place.  Wherever it happens, it's open space, right
>> enough.  You can search the archives for when Ralph Copleman had us cooking
>> up solutions for opening for a large-ish group on a beach.
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>> In a session at the same conference I mentioned, we did two sessions on
>> distributed teamwork, where people from all over work on the same team
>> everyday.  We had 40-50 people in the room and another 10 or so online, via
>> sococo.com and also using some little robot gizmos each of which lets
>> one person put their face on an ipad and remotely control the neck that
>> holds it, so they can turn their head, nod, look up and down.
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>> in a recent training conversation we boiled down the must-haves in open
>> space to just two.  we wiped out circle, postits, chairs, and so on.  we
>> decided the two essentials were people and a story.
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>> so if the fifth principle works, online is just another place.  yes, some
>> places are better for us than others.  pillars are a hassle.  so's not
>> being able to see faces of other ppts.  not being able to move myself
>> between breakouts is pretty much like fixed theater seating.
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>> what works online? pretty much what works everywhere else.  we need
>> people and a story, someplace to tell the story, so that implies a
>> gathering place.  we need a way to see other ppts, their faces and their
>> groupings in clusters of conversation.  we need a way to wander around and
>> get in other people's view, to be noticed, so we can say hello.  we need a
>> way to write and read topics for discussion and hang them somewhere.  We
>> need a way for anyone to ask the facilitator a question, but ideally not in
>> the middle of the opening briefing, or right as it finishes.  A way to
>> capture notes and share them with everyone.
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>> The onscreen view can be very simple.  I'm wondering just now what it
>> would look like as a slightly larger than screen-sized space, so it needed
>> to be moved around and zoomed like a google map.  That's a totally new idea
>> for me, just now, and I think i do like that.  Zoom and Slide in a big
>> online working space.  Can you rig that up, Lucas?
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>> --
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>> Michael Herman
>> Michael Herman Associates
>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>>
>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
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>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>>> Makes me of the response from a techie on why they still have face to
>>> face meetings with all the tech available for communication: higher
>>> bandwidth.
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>>> Ben — thanks for painting a terrific picture of the potential.
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>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
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>>> The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it happened, the folks
>>> who were present for the first OS, and subsequently constituted major parts
>>> of the early community were all Techies of a sort. Some of them actually
>>> designed systems and wrote code and others were more “eager participants” –
>>> that would include me. The new toy was Internet, which at the point we
>>> became involved was still property of the US Army and known as DARPA NET.
>>> The world changed under our feet, and the word “exciting” is pretty limp.
>>>
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>>> Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw possibilities
>>> in OS. One group came to me with what they thought was a revolutionary
>>> idea: Set up a room full of laptops and have everybody communicate through
>>> them and a “master” screen set on the wall. The whole thing was prewired
>>> and magnificently packaged. They made their presentation, but their faces
>>> fell when I said, “Guys, we could actually talk to each other.”  In fact, I
>>> believe they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to corporations
>>> who were (had been) convinced that their executives were too shy, or
>>> whatever, to communicate directly, face to face.
>>>
>>> The iterations have continued over the years. You know  the most recent
>>> ones, but there are more. I have always admired the energy and creativity.
>>> But at the end of the day, I really didn’t see much value added that
>>> couldn’t have been supplied (at much less cost) by the simple application
>>> of everyday, off the shelf kinds of stuff. I do grant that the proposed
>>> systems were an awful lot prettier – and I really was impressed with my
>>> electronic “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me that we
>>> were looking at a technology in search of an application. I totally
>>> understand the techie attraction, and I salute their tenacity….
>>>
>>> Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience online”
>>> just doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious – but it rather
>>> reminds me of attempting to replicate making love.
>>>
>>> So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide open and
>>> massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t think.
>>>
>>> Harrison
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>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf Of *Suzanne Daigle
>>> via OSList
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
>>> *To:* Harrison Owen
>>> *Cc:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using
>>> video chat?
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>>> Hello HO,
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>>> NOW WHAT indeed!
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>>> No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me bubbling forth with
>>> the feeling of "love",  a word I would not have dared utter loudly in
>>> public, most especially in professional contexts. Yet those feelings are
>>> undeniably there and I shall utter them as they happen. :-) So far I've
>>> survived speaking my mind... Even more it's blasted holes by opening more
>>> space that led to productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I
>>> didn't keep my mouth shut. With guys and gals.
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>>> Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual world. Beyond
>>> the so called internet. As one who has hosted often in my physical house
>>> and been similarly hosted in the homes of others, I know there is more to
>>> be invented there.
>>> While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will gladly partake in
>>> the joy of this imagined future experience and I will wholeheartedly nudge,
>>> prod, and encourage those who passionately see beyond the reaches of what I
>>> see.
>>>
>>> So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a hearty Martini in
>>> Manila so I can paint a picture of what I see?
>>>
>>> After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of Open Space with all
>>> this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am I that it came my way!
>>>
>>> From a happy Florida camper,
>>> Suzanne
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>>> On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are right!! AND. Your
>>> imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I imagine the
>>> possibility of  a Virtual House where I could drop in to just hang out with
>>> family, friends, colleagues and Open Space pals, from around the world, I
>>> know that this possibility exists. To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt,
>>> Sharon Joy in Manila, Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”)
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>>> > Suzanne – This is what we do. Every day. All the time. Ever
>>> since!!!! It’s called The Internet.
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>>> > NOW WHAT!
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>>> > ho
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>>> > Winter Address
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>>> > 7808 River Falls Dr.
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>>> > Potomac, MD 20854
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>>> > 301-365-2093
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Summer Address
>>> >
>>> > 189 Beaucauire Ave
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>>> > Camden, ME 04843
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>>> > 207 763-3261
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Websites
>>> >
>>> > www.openspaceworld.com
>>> >
>>> > www.ho-image.com
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Suzanne Daigle via OSList
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:07 PM
>>> >
>>> > To: Lucas Cioffi; World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>> > Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video
>>> chat?
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>>> > Dear Lucas and all,
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>>> > As you pose your question and I saw the replies, I realize once again
>>> how passionate you, Ben Roberts, Brian Burt and others are about creating
>>> virtual experiences for others and with others.  With the spirit and
>>> essence of Open Space. Thank you so very much!
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>>> > In seeing your names, I relived the magic of past virtual Open Space
>>> events (Brené Brown and the Global Conversation - Maestro and Brian Burt)
>>> and Harrison's 80th Birthday Party (Lucas and Michael Herman)  last year
>>> and yes WOSonOS Florida too (Ben Roberts and others) with opportunities
>>> here and there to welcome colleagues.
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>>> > None perfect but all exhilarating in the trailblazing and experiencing
>>> of it.
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>>> > Lucas I share your "Field of Dream Passion - Build it and They Will
>>> Come" though not in developing, refining, improving or simplifying the
>>> mechanics of it in the backroom so all can go smooth in the virtual space.
>>> That is not my expertise or passion. It is the work of unsung heroes.
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>>> > If I was to focus on your word "simplest" aka "simplify", I wonder if
>>> we could not create the feel of sitting in a circle without talking about a
>>> circle (like sitting around a campfire, in the comfort of your living room
>>> or around your kitchen table)? Rather than breakouts, could we have rooms
>>> and corners where people can go hang out?  Rather than a marketplace wall,
>>> it could be like going to a movie with a bill board that announces the
>>> movies that are playing. Then of course you could see who's there, in which
>>> room. People would instantly think this is really cool and not a process
>>> thing.
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>>> > We know that Open Space works best when we don't talk about Open
>>> Space; we don't talk about a circle, breakouts and stuff.  We simply invite
>>> from the purpose, theme or reason for meeting. In those first moments of
>>> sitting in a circle, looking at the floor and the marketplace wall, it all
>>> seems so foreign to people who have never experienced OS before. Why then
>>> should we bring these concepts into the virtual space?  We don't have to
>>> counteract the familiarity of a theatre style setting, reject the podium or
>>> a panel of speakers.
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>>> > We can create brand new space - a space of welcome, connecting and
>>> getting things done from the comfort of our own home or office or wherever.
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>>> > For each element of Open Space, there could be a way of explaining it
>>> that invites a degree of freedom that feels different, open and fun. People
>>> might attribute it to "this is how it happens virtually" and in the process
>>> they would be living the law of two feet. We'd be communicating intent as
>>> we give the mechanics of how to move around.
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>>> > I'm sorry if I got a bit carried away. Ben Roberts once told me years
>>> ago that he pictured that some virtual meetings could be better than in
>>> person. I didn't quite believe him. Today as I imagine the possibility of
>>>  a Virtual House where I could drop in to just hang out with family,
>>> friends, colleagues and Open Space pals, from around the world, I know that
>>> this possibility exists. To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon
>>> Joy in Manila, Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.
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>>> > Suzanne
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>>> > Suzanne Daigle
>>> > Open Space Facilitator
>>> > NuFocus Strategic Group
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>>> > FL 941-359-8877
>>> > Cell: 203-722-2009
>>> > www.nufocusgroup.com
>>> > s.daigle at nufocusgroup.com
>>> > Twitter @Daiglesuz
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>>> > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>>> > Hi All,
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>>> > I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the simplest
>>> online Open Space experience using video chat.
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>>> > I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that you
>>> might have a moment to think about what online OS experience would work
>>> best for you, rather than letting my thoughts influence yours.
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>>> > 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage.  You can see the
>>> following:
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>>> > where the opening circle is
>>> > how many virtual breakout spaces there are
>>> > who is in each virtual space right now
>>> > what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board /
>>> marketplace / idea wall)
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>>> > 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.
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>>> > Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:
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>>> > 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area available
>>> to all participants.
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>>> > 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that you'd like to
>>> speak.
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>>> > 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I have to step
>>> away for a moment").
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>>> > Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to hearing what you
>>> have in mind!
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>>> >
>>> > Lucas Cioffi
>>> >
>>> > Founder, QiqoChat
>>> >
>>> > Charlottesville, VA
>>> >
>>> > Mobile: 917-528-1831
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