[OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

on the details, christine...

i think qiqochat comes closest to having the video and documenting/other
tools in one place, with the ability to move around and see where people
are.  sococo.com, when they get their embeddable urls working, so you can
bring any piece of online work/screen into any breakout space, will be the
best, at least for the moment.

the metaphorum that i mentioned in a different post is happening with four
zoom rooms linked via a single web page.  that central page won't show who
or how many are in each group, but it would be possible to have a single
notes space on that page for collaborative editing.  or even, i think, a
notes space for each of the four groups embedded in that one page.




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On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Christine Whitney Sanchez via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> I wonder if there are many opportunities being dreamed of here?
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> If I understand what you are getting at, Harrison, there is something that
> we aren’t aware of yet, although it is possibly "thought forming" - we just
> don't know when it will emerge into 3D form for us to collectively perceive
> it.  I believe that the type of discussion we are having here invites that
> type of emergence and collective perception.
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> There are those of us, like Suzanne, who are dreaming of the exponential
> expansion of love and joy, which many of us experienced when we first met
> Open Space.
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> Then there are those of us who want all of the above while looking for
> something more immediate to improve functionality of the current Online OS
> form. In fact, last week I turned to Ben Roberts for help - "*What are
> your favorite platforms for AI, TWC and OST these days? I keep looking for
> something that has the class, functionality and feel of Maestro combined
> with the ability to collaboratively work on docs right in the platform and
> the wonderful sense of community that Zoom offers.  Tell me there’s a magic
> platform that does all of these things :-).  *Between the two of us, we
> agreed that multiple phone lines or multiple zoom lines could serve the
> butterflies and bumblebees with a home line functioning like the opening
> circle and convergence. Not as exciting, perhaps as “what’s next” and
> ripples of love and joy, but definitely increasing our capacity to open
> more space.
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> Thanks for the invitation, Lucas.  Thanks for the conversation, all.
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> Warm wishes from a Western Caribbean cruise to celebrate my mom’s 90th
> birthday,
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> Christine
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> On Aug 31, 2016, at 8:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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> The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it happened, the folks
> who were present for the first OS, and subsequently constituted major parts
> of the early community were all Techies of a sort. Some of them actually
> designed systems and wrote code and others were more “eager participants” –
> that would include me. The new toy was Internet, which at the point we
> became involved was still property of the US Army and known as DARPA NET.
> The world changed under our feet, and the word “exciting” is pretty limp.
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> Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw possibilities in
> OS. One group came to me with what they thought was a revolutionary idea:
> Set up a room full of laptops and have everybody communicate through them
> and a “master” screen set on the wall. The whole thing was prewired and
> magnificently packaged. They made their presentation, but their faces fell
> when I said, “Guys, we could actually talk to each other.”  In fact, I
> believe they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to corporations
> who were (had been) convinced that their executives were too shy, or
> whatever, to communicate directly, face to face.
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> The iterations have continued over the years. You know  the most recent
> ones, but there are more. I have always admired the energy and creativity.
> But at the end of the day, I really didn’t see much value added that
> couldn’t have been supplied (at much less cost) by the simple application
> of everyday, off the shelf kinds of stuff. I do grant that the proposed
> systems were an awful lot prettier – and I really was impressed with my
> electronic “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me that we
> were looking at a technology in search of an application. I totally
> understand the techie attraction, and I salute their tenacity….
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> Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience online” just
> doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious – but it rather reminds
> me of attempting to replicate making love.
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> So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide open and
> massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t think.
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> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
> <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf Of *Suzanne Daigle
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
> *To:* Harrison Owen
> *Cc:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video
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> Hello HO,
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> NOW WHAT indeed!
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> No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me bubbling forth with
> the feeling of "love",  a word I would not have dared utter loudly in
> public, most especially in professional contexts. Yet those feelings are
> undeniably there and I shall utter them as they happen. :-) So far I've
> survived speaking my mind... Even more it's blasted holes by opening more
> space that led to productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I
> didn't keep my mouth shut. With guys and gals.
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> Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual world. Beyond the
> so called internet. As one who has hosted often in my physical house and
> been similarly hosted in the homes of others, I know there is more to be
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> While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will gladly partake in
> the joy of this imagined future experience and I will wholeheartedly nudge,
> prod, and encourage those who passionately see beyond the reaches of what I
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> So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a hearty Martini in
> Manila so I can paint a picture of what I see?
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> After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of Open Space with all
> this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am I that it came my way!
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> From a happy Florida camper,
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> On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
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> > OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are right!! AND. Your
> imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I imagine the
> possibility of  a Virtual House where I could drop in to just hang out with
> family, friends, colleagues and Open Space pals, from around the world, I
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> > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf
> Of Suzanne Daigle via OSList
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:07 PM
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> > To: Lucas Cioffi; World wide Open Space Technology email list
> > Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video
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> how passionate you, Ben Roberts, Brian Burt and others are about creating
> virtual experiences for others and with others.  With the spirit and
> essence of Open Space. Thank you so very much!
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> circle (like sitting around a campfire, in the comfort of your living room
> or around your kitchen table)? Rather than breakouts, could we have rooms
> and corners where people can go hang out?  Rather than a marketplace wall,
> it could be like going to a movie with a bill board that announces the
> movies that are playing. Then of course you could see who's there, in which
> room. People would instantly think this is really cool and not a process
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> we don't talk about a circle, breakouts and stuff.  We simply invite from
> the purpose, theme or reason for meeting. In those first moments of sitting
> in a circle, looking at the floor and the marketplace wall, it all seems so
> foreign to people who have never experienced OS before. Why then should we
> bring these concepts into the virtual space?  We don't have to counteract
> the familiarity of a theatre style setting, reject the podium or a panel of
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> getting things done from the comfort of our own home or office or wherever.
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> that invites a degree of freedom that feels different, open and fun. People
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> they would be living the law of two feet. We'd be communicating intent as
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> ago that he pictured that some virtual meetings could be better than in
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> > Suzanne Daigle
> > Open Space Facilitator
> > NuFocus Strategic Group
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> > FL 941-359-8877
> > Cell: 203-722-2009
> > www.nufocusgroup.com
> > s.daigle at nufocusgroup.com
> > Twitter @Daiglesuz
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> > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
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> > I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the simplest
> online Open Space experience using video chat.
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> > where the opening circle is
> > how many virtual breakout spaces there are
> > who is in each virtual space right now
> > what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board /
> marketplace / idea wall)
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> > 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.
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> > Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:
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> > 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area available to
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> > Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to hearing what you have
> in mind!
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> > Lucas Cioffi
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> > Founder, QiqoChat
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> > Charlottesville, VA
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> > Mobile: 917-528-1831
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