[OSList] There is no such thing as open space (Jeff Aitken via OSList)

Jon Jorgensen via OSList oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Mon Nov 9 13:58:12 PST 2015


I don't know what the person in Dan's story actually was referring to, but
I have a hunch that they were referring to the fact that, as far as science
can tell, there is no amount of physical space that is entirely occupied
with physical particles (of the sub-atomic persuasion or otherwise) with no
space in between them, and conversely we can guess that there is no amount
of space that is completely void of particles.  (This can only be confirmed
as the frontier of science continues to go deeper below the atomic level.)

So, if this is true, then we can say that in the physical realm, there is
no totally open space and no totally closed space; only relative degrees
between the 2 extremes as we scale or descale our frame of reference (or
"Container" to borrow a metaphor from the HSD model.)

It gets even more interesting as we apply this axiom to the cognitive
realm, which is to say that if we cannot be absolute in holding space open,
then how much is enough or not enough to suit our purposes?  I believe that
our results will tell us, and the amount may vary depending on the theme,
setting and event attendees.

How much distraction is endurable, while still allowing growth, creativity
and transformation?
How much external control, denigration of individuals, conflict and anxiety
is enough to nip these fruits of open space in the bud?

Aren't these the things which the facilitator endeavors to hold at bay, to
create a clearing for something new to sprout and flourish within?

We would need some failed attempts at Opening Space, which were markedly
unfruitful, to demonstrate such a threshold (how much or how little is
enough) to answer these questions.

Now, that sounds like an unpleasant experiment to design and conduct.
However, if anybody has inadvertently stumbled on the answer, I would love
to learn vicariously.

Till then, let us also say, "There is no such thing as fully closed space."

Jon Jorgensen



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> I like the term 'opening space' --  endeavoring that the space be a little
> (or lot) more open than before.
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> Maybe the practice is a lifelong one, of opening the space a bit more in
> each cycle of day, week, month, or year, etc.
>
> Really deep folks might tell us when the space will be completely open
> again - in a zillion years - or maybe in this moment?
>
> Jeff
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> On Nov 8, 2015 10:24 AM, "Barry Owen via OSList" <
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> >> Someone I love said to me "Pffft. There's no such thing as open space."
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> >> I added, "Hmm. So there is no such thing as open space? only closed
> >> space?......opened to varying degrees?"
> >>
> >> And she said "Yes. Yup. That's it."
> >>
> >> Hmm. No such thing as "100% open" space... I wonder about this. I also
> >> wonder if you might want to comment on this idea.
> >>
> >> Is the "no such thing as open space" idea heresy-in-fact?
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> I like that Jeff! Having just returned from the land of the ?Tao te Ching?
> ... where following The Way leads to nothingness. Clearly, real open space
> happens when you stop working so hard... or something.
>
>
>
> After 5 wonderful days with colleagues in Beijing, I find myself smiling
> as the jet lag recedes. For a gift I brought my friends a copy of Chris
> Corrigan?s ?The Tao of Holding Space.? I offered it with a smile, knowing
> from whence the Tao had come. Sort of like carrying coals to New Castle. Or
> Tulip Bulbs to Holland. Or perfume to Paris... Or...
>
>
>
> I told my friends in Beijing that, for me, the Tao te Ching was the most
> wonderful guide to holding and opening space. It was written (to the best
> of anybody?s knowledge) about 1200 BCE. That would be better than 3000
> years ago. Been around for a bit.
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> I like the term 'opening space' --  endeavoring that the space be a little
> (or lot) more open than before.
>
> Maybe the practice is a lifelong one, of opening the space a bit more in
> each cycle of day, week, month, or year, etc.
>
> Really deep folks might tell us when the space will be completely open
> again - in a zillion years - or maybe in this moment?
>
> Jeff
> Lagunitas, California
>
> On Nov 8, 2015 10:24 AM, "Barry Owen via OSList" <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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> Yes!
>
> It's all relative . . .
>
>
>
>
> Barry Owen
> Real Estate Strategist
>
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> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
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> Someone I love said to me "Pffft. There's no such thing as open space."
>
> I added, "Hmm. So there is no such thing as open space? only closed
> space?......opened to varying degrees?"
>
> And she said "Yes. Yup. That's it."
>
> Hmm. No such thing as "100% open" space... I wonder about this. I also
> wonder if you might want to comment on this idea.
>
> Is the "no such thing as open space" idea heresy-in-fact?
>
> --
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> Hello dear Space Openers,
>
> The other day I was talking with a collegue who is an university staff
> member here in La Paz. I told him (what follows is a result of my daring
> ignorance) that most of the development in social sciences and human groups
> evolution study is closely based/related onto Isaac Newton's Universal
> Gravitation Theory and the emerging laws that are being refined until our
> days (quantitaive change and analysis and so forth). Well, the time is
> appropiate for a change or shift and we are thinking now in terms of
> relativity, as Harrison wisely said. Acoording to the ancient Greek
> Mythology, passion was represented by the god Eros when he contributed to
> the creation of the universe from Chaos, that was the first thing to exist:
> So, Chaos is the origin of everything and is also an initial stage in the
> process of opening the space. The universe is infinite or it expands?
> Anyway, we are all relatively expanding ourselves; the space, as the
> universe is and will be opened. The question we are discussing now
> demonstrates this. Are our minds an Open Space?
>
> Have a  big hug from Bolivia.
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> Jaime Pedreros F,
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> From: Lucas Cioffi via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
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> Subject: [OSList] The OSLIST Poetry Contest is Open
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> Dear Colleagues -
>
> The OSLIST Poetry Contest is open once again!  If you feel so inspired,
> please create an original poem using these three guidelines:
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> 1) The poem is about Open Space
> 2) The poem consists of 8 lines or less.
> 3) The poem contains all 26 letters of the English alphabet (or all the
> letters of the language you write the poem in) at least once.  If your
> language does not have an alphabet, then you can skip/ignore this
> guideline.
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> *Send your poetry directly to me (not to the whole list) at
> lucas at qiqochat.com <lucas at qiqochat.com> before the end of Sunday, November
> 22nd.*
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> I will collect the poems and then show them back to you anonymously, dear
> readers - so you may indicate your favorites - even though this is not a
> game of favorites. It is a gift of riches.  It will, however, tell us who
> our new Poet Laureate of the OSLIST will be - someone who will hold the
> space for poetry by sharing and/or inviting poetry on our list for the next
> six months.
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> All of you OSLIST members, including past Poet Laureates, are invited to
> participate.  If you write your poem in your own language which may not be
> English, please do add a translation in English.
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> I welcome all your fierce and quiet words,
>
> Lucas Cioffi
> Current OSLIST Poet Laureate
> Charlottesville, VA, USA
> - with a deep bow to my fellow Poet Laureates
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> - - - - -
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> A little history, from Chris Corrigan:
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> > ?For all those who might be curious, the OSLIST Biannual Restricted Form
> > Poetry Contest started in the spring of 2000 when I issued the challenge
> to
> > the list.  Ralph Copleman actually began the whole thing with a contest
> in
> > the fall of 1999 (which I won) and so he is the ?Poetry King? for all
> > time.  I just claimed the ?Poet Laureate? title in an effort to have some
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> From: Hege Steinsland via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
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> Dear list friends and colleagues in Open Space and Genuine Contact!
>
> I?m working on a possible research project in the health sector in
> municipalities to find out how Open Space and The Genuine Contact program
> can be a resource in enabling a shift in the way of leading and solving the
> tasks with growing challenges and reduced resources.
>
> My question now is if there is some relevant research that you know of
> from the Genuine Contact program or Open space technology for us to refer
> to in out application?
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> All the best from
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> From: Harrison Owen via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
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> While I was having fun with Mrs. Song and all of her guests in Beijing, a
> funny thing was happening nearby. It seems that the Mercedes head office
> for
> China was having a big do and some significant part of it was all in Open
> Space. I only learned of it when two gentlemen, whom I didn't know, dropped
> by. One was from Brazil, and the other from Italy and they were somehow
> responsible. Talk about not having all the facts! But I do know the
> Mercedes
> gathering was a pretty big deal, if only because the Mayor of Beijing was
> present. And that was just the tip of the iceberg because then the Premier
> of China showed up. And of course the Press was in attendance. Anyhow the
> evening news (Chinese TV version) was replete with the Premier in Open
> Space, surrounded by the appropriate signs, I'm told. Of course I couldn't
> read them, but I did see the pictures.
>
>
>
> Harrison
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> From: Mikk Sarv via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
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> Great news!
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> Mikk Sarv
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> > On 09 Nov 2015, at 22:33, Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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> > While I was having fun with Mrs. Song and all of her guests in Beijing,
> a funny thing was happening nearby. It seems that the Mercedes head office
> for China was having a big do and some significant part of it was all in
> Open Space. I only learned of it when two gentlemen, whom I didn?t know,
> dropped by. One was from Brazil, and the other from Italy and they were
> somehow responsible. Talk about not having all the facts! But I do know the
> Mercedes gathering was a pretty big deal, if only because the Mayor of
> Beijing was present. And that was just the tip of the iceberg because then
> the Premier of China showed up. And of course the Press was in attendance.
> Anyhow the evening news (Chinese TV version) was replete with the Premier
> in Open Space, surrounded by the appropriate signs, I?m told. Of course I
> couldn?t read them, but I did see the pictures.
> >
> > Harrison
> >
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> > 7808 River Falls Drive
> > Potomac, MD 20854
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> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 15:56:30 -0500
> From: Skye Hirst via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Mikk Sarv <tuulepuu at gmail.com>,     World wide Open Space Technology
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] Mercedes China
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> What a great birthday present!
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> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Mikk Sarv via OSList <
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> > Great news!
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> > Mikk Sarv
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> > On 09 Nov 2015, at 22:33, Harrison Owen via OSList <
> > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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> > While I was having fun with Mrs. Song and all of her guests in Beijing, a
> > funny thing was happening nearby. It seems that the Mercedes head office
> > for China was having a big do and some significant part of it was all in
> > Open Space. I only learned of it when two gentlemen, whom I didn?t know,
> > dropped by. One was from Brazil, and the other from Italy and they were
> > somehow responsible. Talk about not having all the facts! But I do know
> the
> > Mercedes gathering was a pretty big deal, if only because the Mayor of
> > Beijing was present. And that was just the tip of the iceberg because
> then
> > the Premier of China showed up. And of course the Press was in
> attendance.
> > Anyhow the evening news (Chinese TV version) was replete with the Premier
> > in Open Space, surrounded by the appropriate signs, I?m told. Of course I
> > couldn?t read them, but I did see the pictures.
> >
> > Harrison
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