[OSList] From linkedin today

Thu Jan 9 14:24:45 PST 2014

Christine You are wonderful! The concerns you express are those of many (myself) and your willingness to “go public” is fantastic. In fact that “willingness” is what makes our electronic community (OSLIST) so wonderful. 

You said: “Then there is something that I don't understand about self-org. : if we want to keep the system healthy and alive, what should  we do ?”

And my thought is “Nothing” and “A Lot – but subtly.” The System will do what it does, and we will never control it. And who says that our idea of “fairness” is fair? To whom, what? Why?

All that said... I believe there is a whole, uncharted world of things we can bring “to the party.” Those “things” have little to do with what we have previously learned as the “right and proper things to do.” And Great Thanks to you for raising the Question that opens the door to what I believe is/are the central concerns and “growth points” along our collective journey in Open Space. More...More...More...

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Hi David

Very interesting, that makes sense to me. Does it mean that supporting coherence of the system as a whole should be an organizing principle ?

But then Harrison will say I guess that it is not necessary, as self org. will take care of the system itself. 

Then there is something that I don't understand about self-org. : if we want to keep the system healthy and alive, what should  we do ? 

Christine Koehler

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Le 9 janv. 2014 à 22:20, David Osborne <dosborne at change-fusion.com> a écrit :

I found the questions about how do you keep a system as a coherent whole fascinating.  

Part of the dance is the back and forth between coherence and fragmentation. Chaos offers both opportunity and threat, new life and death. Coherence leads to new life patterns emerging, fragmentation leads towards death and the cycle toward new life continues. In my experience there is lot's that can be done to reinforce, nurture and support coherence. Holding the space is one aspect. Drawing attention and building consensus around what is emerging is another, supporting parts of the system through conflict in a manner that continues to increase the likelihood of coherence is a third. There are many more...and those are some quick thoughts for now. All of this can and is done with in the context of self-organization and someone having the passion and taking the initiative to do it. The two are not mutually exclusive. 

Cheers to all. 

David 

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 4:06 PM, christine koehler <chris.alice.koehler at gmail.com> wrote: 

Peggy 

If I simplify what you say (and I apologize for it), I understand that  you say that what keep a self-organized system coherent as a whole is coming regularly together  as a whole, following our two feet to sessions called around we love, coming back as a whole, dispersing again for the evening. Of course I would tend to agree with that. But then how do you do with very large systems ? Or does it mean that any system that is too large to come regularly together as a whole is oversized ? should split into several smaller systems to keep its good health ? 

and what about decision making ? 

Christine 

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Peggy Holman <peggy at peggyholman.com> wrote: 

I’d add to what Harrison is saying about what keeps a social system coherent without someone in charge. It’s something built into the practice of Open Space Technology: coming together as a whole, following our two feet to sessions called around we love, coming back as a whole, dispersing again for the evening. Like breathing.  

There’s a power in coming together to reflect that connects us, helps us see ourselves in context, creates a coherent sense of “us” that complements all of the “I’s”. So without the need to make decisions or come to consensus, I suspect that long-lived self-organizing social systems create a rhythm in which the whole (or a sufficient subset of it) comes together periodically. 

As an example, a few years back, I learned of a group of African Americans that met informally for Saturday breakfast in Tacoma, Washington once a week for thirty-five years. This gathering became the backbone of the African American community in that city. It was the place to connect, to learn what was happening, to share ideas, to find partners, etc. No one in charge, just part of the rhythm of the community. And lots of activities emerged from it. 

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On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Christine < chris.alice.koehler at gmail.com> wrote: 

Hi Harrison, 

Thank you for your answer 

What do you mean exactely with the law of 2 feet ? 

Christine Koehler 

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Le 9 janv. 2014 à 17:27, "Harrison Owen" < hhowen at verizon.net> a écrit : 

I’m awake now (Thank you Michael). And Christine – to your questions and my thoughts.

“In a  self -organized system, how do you keep the organization coherent as a whole ?

How do you make decisions that concern the whole organization ?”

I think the simple answer may be, “You don’t (make decisions or maintain coherency). The System does – which is in a way the essence of self-organization. I think one way of understanding self organization is that it is the systemic response to a changing environment in order to maintain internal and external coherence... a complicated way of saying that the system wants to get along in the world in a positive fashion. Part of maintaining that systemic coherence is by making a whole bunch of decisions – none, or few, of which are made by a vote or executive dictate. A powerful mechanism in this regard is our old friend, “The Law of Two feet.” – I think.

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Harrison,

In a  self -organized system, how do you keep the organization coherent as a whole ?

How do you make decisions that concern the whole organization ?

Christine 

On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:

Paul – This piece from Zappos is interesting indeed. Though I must say I do wonder why the Zapposites feel it necessary to organize a self organizing system? As they say, “In a city, people and businesses are self-organizing.” I agree, and why not just follow the beaten path? Holarchy is a wonderful concept, and a good description of what I think I experience in a self organizing system. But why go for a knock-off when you can have the original? Just let (invite) the system to self organize. It will work better, and costs a lot less effort. As Stuart Kauffman might say, “order for free.”

Harrison

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Research shows that every time the size of a city doubles, innovation or productivity per resident increases by 15 percent. But when companies get bigger, innovation or productivity per employee generally goes down. So we're trying to figure out how to structure Zappos more like a city, and less like a bureaucratic corporation. In a city, people and businesses are self-organizing. We're trying to do the same thing by switching from a normal hierarchical structure to a system called Holacracy, which enables employees to act more like entrepreneurs and self-direct their work instead of reporting to a manager who tells them what to do.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pam-ross/workplace-reinvention_b_4541805.html# <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pam-ross/workplace-reinvention_b_4541805.html> !

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