[OSList] Community Gardens

Harrison Owen via OSList oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Mon Dec 15 14:38:20 PST 2014 

Annemarie... I did have to chuckle. Self organization in a garden? Gardens are (at the end of the day as well as the beginning) self organizing. No matter what we may do or think. So let the Garden be your teacher... or something.

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From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Annamarie Pluhar via OSList
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 8:15 PM
To: Michael Herman
Cc: OSLIST
Subject: Re: [OSList] Community Gardens

Yes it does!  And thanks for taking the time to write it all down.

The last paragraph is most salient to me - since that's the stuff we struggle with - I was Hoping that an OS-run garden would magically cause everyone to pay their fees on time and do their part in the work of maintaining the garden.

Our garden starts with an organic requirement! Easier to do in southern Vermont. And if anyone reading this finds themselves motoring around Putney Vermont we are the garden opposite the Putney Coop - it's very public and visible and an easy stop off the interstate. : )

Farmers market on Sundays.. 10-2, in the summer.

Peace,


Annamarie Pluhar

Pluhar Consulting
http://www.pluharconsulting.com
802.451.1941
802.579.5975 (cell)

On 14 Dec 2014, at 15:04, Michael Herman wrote:

> hi annamarie,
>
> in our space, we have 18 plots in one large raised bed.  plots are 
> assigned on first-come basis.
>
> the previous garden leader and the guy who cut the grass in the park 
> took 6 of the 18 plots for themselves, what seemed like the sunniest 
> and best plots.  the first thing i did was take no plot.  one other 
> garden leader takes one plot. everybody's equal, nobody gets more than 
> one plot.
>
> the next thing i did was set up an email group.  when people ask for a 
> plot, i ask them to join the list.  if they don't join, they never get 
> the information needed to sign up.  so i ask them to take some 
> responsibility for their interest right away.  it's not about a 
> transaction that they pay their little fee for their little plot.  
> they have to actually show up in the list.
>
> then all the info goes out on the list.  everything is done as 
> transparently as possible.  assignments are done on a tenure basis, 
> first pick to returning gardeners, then in order of joining the list.
>
> i invite/suggest tilling the whole bet together in the spring.  my 
> wife and i live without a car, so i ask for somebody to pickup the 
> rental tiller, and volunteers come out throughout the day to take 
> turns using it.
> some
> don't show, and a few guys have a lot of fun giving the whole thing 
> second and third coats with the powertool.  some people have 
> perennials to be saved, and they are responsible for getting those 
> marked for the tillers.
>
> through the summer, the list allows folks to ask others to water their 
> stuff while they go away.  ask questions about various issues, who's 
> stealing tomatoes, what to do about the homeless guy sleeping in the 
> park, is he the guy stealing tomatoes?  what about tree trimming?  or 
> what about the big tree that shattered in the storm, the expert says 
> it should come down, but can it be saved?  always my thing is putting 
> out as much info as i have and asking what anyone thinks, and what 
> anyone can do to contribute.
> and yes, the shattered tree has been saved for a few years now because 
> a couple of people on the list jumped to do what was needed to make 
> that happen.
>
> we've had conflict of sorts, at least differences of opinion/agenda 
> over spreading weed poison in the park where the plots are.  so that 
> required a fair amount of space holding on the list and in relations 
> with my neighbors.  the neighbors were mostly willing to chip in and 
> buy the poison service.  the gardeners we're willing to chip in and 
> help dig up the dandelions, also to do research on alternative sprays.  
> one gardener's father was an ag scientiest for one of the chemical 
> companies.  so we ended up having a lot of good information, found an 
> organic alternative, had to have only one nasty treatment, and the 
> gardeners worked to dig weeds within the area closest to the garden 
> bed.
>
> mostly i ask a lot more questions and feed a lot more info into the 
> list, our "wall" and don't hardly ever tell anyone what they need to 
> do.
> got a
> little dicey in the weeds process, when a good friend and neighbor who 
> lives right next to the park, and led the weed poison charge, wanted 
> and expected me to do just that -- tell everybody how it was going to 
> be.
> in
> the end, my mailbox ends up being where organic weed treatment 
> donations are dropped off by neighbors and gardeners.  of course, i am 
> also the keeper of the neighborhood contact info directory page and 
> the neighbors email list.  in the garden there are a set of rules 
> posted, as guides, but enforcement is left to the group.
>
> i guess i should also say that this land is held by a non-profit in 
> chicago that holds or leases claim to 70 or 80 green spaces.  they 
> handle insurance, water bills, and other admin issues and contract 
> with a community group (the neighborhood association, in our case) and 
> at least three local garden leaders.  the way i came into this is that 
> i saw the previous leadership running a very exclusive, controlling 
> process and happened to meet the director of the non-profit, who 
> mentioned that he'd not heard from our garden leaders for years.  i 
> helped him reconnect, but also helped him re-write their contract with 
> community group and leaders, adding a larger section for "stakeholder" 
> signatures.  expanding the circle, if you will.  so i went around and 
> had this new contract signed by lots of neighbors and had a chance to 
> talk to a lot of folks about what they thought of the park and the 
> garden and the neighborhood.  then the old leader got bothered that 
> he'd not be in sole control, and walked out.
> the
> neighborhood association took a while to figure out that i wasn't the 
> devil, but over time that's been borne out by the work i've done to 
> engage everyone in an open, expanding, resilient, emerging sort of 
> process.
>
> for my next trick, i try to get out and go take a nap for a year, or 
> at least get out of some of the stuff like collecting fees, assigning 
> plots, inviting the tiller day to happen.  we'll see!
>
> does that answer the question?
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> http://MichaelHerman.com
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Annamarie Pluhar < 
> annamarie at pluharconsulting.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi! (I started to write just to Michael - but realized that others 
>> might find the question and answer of interest.)
>>
>> How does the nominal leader run the community garden in OS? Most 
>> particularly how does the work that needs to be done to manage the 
>> garden as a whole get done?
>>
>> I ask as secretary of a Governing Committee that came into existence 
>> when the original founders alienated too many people (by being 
>> arrogant and punitive and authoritarian) and it was decided we needed 
>> to have some structure and governance.
>>
>> 'Nuff said, interested in the answer!
>>
>> Peace,
>> Annamarie
>>
>> Annamarie Pluhar
>>
>> Pluhar Consulting
>> http://www.pluharconsulting.com
>> 802.451.1941
>> 802.579.5975 (cell)
>>
>> On 14 Dec 2014, at 11:26, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
>>
>> i woke up this morning thinking about this game, thinking in a 
>> direction similar to paul levy.
>>
>> i am the nominal leader of a community garden now for four years. my 
>> management is deeply informed by my learning in and about open space.
>> does
>> it count as 1 or 4?
>>
>> i once had a client who flew me in to facilitate a meeting. we also 
>> built a weblog and they contacted me a number of times, over several 
>> years, with minor technical questions. do the meeting and the blog 
>> count as one together, or two separate?
>>
>> i taught my grandma to say "ah," as she began the active process of 
>> dying.
>> she then repeated that seed syllable, a one-syllable mantra for 
>> peace, on every breath of her last week of life. she never opened her 
>> eyes but over that week completely relaxed her whole body. was that 
>> open space?
>> what
>> about up all night rocking a tiny, sick, neice?
>>
>> i saw some new neighbors moving in the other day. our neighborhood 
>> has a lot of old houses and everybody moves in and starts updating 
>> everything. i offered my tools and experience. if they never take me 
>> up on that offer/invitation, does it count? what if they just look 
>> for me at my desk in our front window, and wave when they see me, 
>> while out walking their dog? that could happen a lot. must count as 
>> only once? or maybe it doesn't count at all?
>>
>> what about three opening briefings, on three consecutive days of open 
>> space trainings i've done? and what about all the things that happen 
>> after an event, does the original opener get partial credit for 
>> things his/her participants open later on?
>>
>> to paul's point, i can ask questions like this about almost every 
>> situation where i facilitated a meeting in an open space way, and 
>> about many other situations where i was not "facilitating" anything, 
>> apparently. this is one of the ways i understand that we live in open 
>> space.
>>
>> my approach to training folks in and about open space is 
>> significantly focused on the crafting of invitations, in the belief 
>> that if we make enough invitations, over time, people, groups and 
>> good work are going to show up.
>>
>> i also focus on discovering all the different ways that whomever i'm 
>> "training" has already been opening space in their own lives. i don't 
>> think anyone could come to this work without having already done it 
>> before.
>> it would be completely un-understandable to them without prior 
>> experience.
>> i think people ask for training so they can do what they already 
>> know/do better. so i try to build on and from whatever understanding 
>> they bring.
>>
>> so this question of seven or more is not so easy for me. not sure 
>> it's even helpful. i'm more interested in questions like:
>>
>> 1. when did you first hear about os or ost?
>> 2. what was the hook? how did you notice it might have value?
>> 3. when did you notice that you'd started letting it inform how you 
>> live?
>> 4. what has happened since then? what difference does it seem to 
>> make?
>>
>> and so on. a new game? the next round? maybe. or maybe it's just the 
>> game Murli called OSLIST back in 1996?
>>
>> michael
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael Herman
>> Michael Herman Associates
>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>>
>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList < 
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> I have also stopped counting :-)
>> But love doing it whenever it’s possible.
>> :o)
>> Eva
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>> 13 dec 2014 kl. 18:05 skrev Gray via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
>>
>> Um...I've facilitated, at this point, a little over 60. Smallest was 
>> 8
>> people on Maui. Largest was about 375, in Chicago. Been doing it 
>> since
>> 2007.
>>
>> And I say "um..." Because I am still learning, still figuring it out, 
>> and
>> still hear Lisa Heft in my head saying "be more invisible, Gray..."
>>
>> —
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>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm, the the Lurker Game proved interesting.
>>
>> ...lots of seldom-heard-from voices! Quite a deep level of experience
>> being reported!
>>
>> So interesting ... so much depth. Seems like something to ...
>> *explore....*
>>
>> So: if you want, *you are cordially invited* to play ... let's call 
>> it
>> the OST-7 Game:
>>
>> ========================================
>> *The OST-7** Game*
>>
>> *The Goal:*
>> Get a collective idea of how many people here have actually 
>> Facilitated 7
>> or more OST events in their lifetime. Put another way: what is the 
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>> practical OST facilitation experience across the entire membership?
>>
>> *The Rules:*
>> If you have Facilitated at least 7 OST events, consider replying with
>> "hey" ... or optionally, with absolutely anything else you might like 
>> to
>> say, for example: where you are located, last time you did one, your 
>> hair
>> color, etc
>>
>> *Tracking Progress:*
>> Watch the thread to track progress, by: # of replies, # of countries, 
>> #
>> of OST events, replies per unit of time, # of people with red hair, 
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>>
>> *Play:*
>> 100% optional. Play if you like. If you've done more 7 or more and 
>> prefer
>> to just watch the game, that's OK too.
>>
>> ========================================
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> - For this game, "OST" means something like this:
>> http://www.openspaceworld.com/users_guide.htm
>> - This is for Facilitating only; consider replying if you've
>> Facilitated at least 7 of these events in your lifetime.
>> - Please reply by clicking [Reply All] Or [Reply List], so the thread
>> stays together, under the same subject
>>
>> Steps to Play:
>>
>> - Click [Reply All] Or [Reply List]
>> - Reply with "hey" or with absolutely anything else you might like to
>> say
>>
>> You are invited. What might happen next? Let's see...
>>
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>>
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