[OSList] What would a harvest from a long OSList discussion look like?
Michael M Pannwitz
mmpannwitz at gmail.com
Mon Aug 11 03:55:55 PDT 2014
Dear John,
you asked:
"...are OS List discussions available at a public URL somewhere?"
At the bottom of each email I get from OSLIST it says:
OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives
of OSLIST Go to:
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
and, even more directly to the archives itself
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/
Seems to be public enough which at one time in the past led to deep
discussion on ownership of these gems!
Here is the very first message back from December 13, 1996 that Murli
sent to the original list of 57 os-nicks
Friends, OpenSpacers, and worldfolk,
prompted by Peggy’s posting I’ve set up a discussion list for all who
have email. Any message posted to this list will automatically be
distributed to anyone subscribed to this list. This way we can have an
unstructured discussion going in open cyberspace...
Peace
murli
Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin
mmp
PS: In my experience harvesting, documenting, evaluating, writing books
about,...etc.... are close to nothing compared with how I impacted
myself with open space events. So here is my suggestion: Go out and
convene an os-event, it will make your day!
On 11.08.2014 09:10, John Baxter wrote:
> Yes I think wordclouds are probably about the best you can get without
> the input of human minds and fingers... I'd be very eager to know of
> anything automated that could do a better job!
>
> One option to ease the burden is a shared online editable document
> (Google Docs or hackpad) and find a few contributors to at least share
> the effort, with the added benefit of multiple perspectives (and methods
> of recording).
>
> This could be built in as part of the structure of conversation, much as
> we might have a closing circle at an Open Space gathering... with
> everybody invited to draw out the lessons or points that they thing most
> worth sharing.
>
> Ideally this practice could form part of the culture of conversation—
> people will contribute more readily if they know it is coming, and have
> personal experience of seeing the value of it.
> This 'summing up' is one element of face-to-face that seems almost
> completely absent online...
>
> Another thing to keep in mind is referring back to source... are OS List
> discussions available at a public URL somewhere? Linking back increases
> the versatility of a harvest, and decreases the pressure to capture it
> all, giving people flexibility to paraphrase (synthesise).
>
> A few cents there for the circle...
>
>
>
> */John Baxter/*
> jsbaxter.com.au <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au>
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> @jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_>
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> /note my reclamation policy means I process my inbox once daily, if that./
> /happy to hear about anything urgent via phone or Twitter/
> /
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> /"Reclaiming quality of life one hack at a time"/
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> On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net
> <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
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> Chris -- Definitely still there! And very current I think. So folks
> have a read... Harvests of days gone by and still useful...____
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> *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
> <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf Of
> *Chris Corrigan
> *Sent:* Friday, August 08, 2014 4:01 PM
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> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What would a harvest from a long OSList
> discussion look like?____
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> You can still find that incredible document hosted at Micheal’s
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> On Aug 8, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net
> <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:____
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> Lucas – Don’t know where this fits, but several years ago Michael
> Herman and Chris Corrigan put together what they called a Non-User’s
> Guide which is essentially an annotated collection of a particularly
> rich set of discussions here on OSLIST. I haven’t checked, but I
> think it is still available onwww.openspaceworld.org
> <http://www.openspaceworld.org/>May turn out that human
> minds/fingers are still an essential part of the process no matter
> the technology. My thought would be Graduate Students. Good labor at
> a reasonable price with a possible dissertation or two.____
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> *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org]*On
> Behalf Of*Lucas Cioffi
> *Sent:*Friday, August 08, 2014 2:52 PM
> *To:*World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Subject:*Re: [OSList] What would a harvest from a long OSList
> discussion look like?____
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> Hi All,____
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> Someone reached out and suggested I try a word cloud of the
> conversation. I took a few minutes to copy the 50 emails from the
> conversation entitled "Management and Organization" which has been
> running for the past month. I pasted it below, and if the word cloud
> doesn't come through as an attachment, you can also see it online
> here.____
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> Word clouds are helpful, but I'm still left wanting more. I can't
> put my finger on it.____
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> I'm thinking that there must be some very creative harvesting
> methods used by facilitators in this group, using graphic
> facilitation and other methods.* Are your approaches to in-person
> harvesting applicable to harvesting one of our 50-email
> discussions?*____
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> I'm listening to see if I can create a software for harvesting &
> summarizing email threads to unlock some of the knowledge buried in
> the OSList archives and breath new life into some of our dormant yet
> valuable discussion threads from the past.____
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> Lucas Cioffi
> Co-Founder, Bark!Best
> Charlottesville, VA
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> On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Lucas Cioffi <lucas at barkbest.com
> <mailto:lucas at barkbest.com>> wrote:____
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> Hi All,____
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> So this week many of us are watching a lively discussion thread grow
> and grow and grow. It's awesome that it has received nearly 50
> email replies already from people all over the world, however 95% of
> the people on the list aren't active in it yet, and of course that's
> OK.____
>
> ____
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> For me and probably others, digging into such a large conversation
> becomes a bit intimidating when the conversation is so large. ____
>
> *Question: So, what would a harvest from such a long OSList email
> discussion look like if it was to be useful to you personally?*____
>
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> I'm asking the question above for two reasons:____
>
> * For me: Aside from being a longtime OS enthusiast, I'm building
> a tool for large online conversations and looking for ideas
> about how to create meaningful harvests from them.____
> * For all of us: Unrelated to my tool, maybe if there was an easy
> way to harvest/summarize these long and lively conversations on
> OSList, then it could give access to the conversation to those
> who do not have the time or courage to dive in directly.____
> * New voices: The younger generations spend less time on email, so
> they largely miss out on the great knowledge that's shared on a
> list like this. So harvests might be one way to bring new
> voices to our conversations on OSList.____
>
> To get the most value out of a conversation, someone certainly has
> to ride along and read most of it. But the problem is that when
> someone chooses to read one conversation in-depth, they are choosing
> to not read another great conversation in-depth. So I'm hoping that
> a harvest can help people when they decide which conversations they
> want to invest their time in.____
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> I look forward to hearing any suggestions!____
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> --____
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> Lucas Cioffi____
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> Co-Founder, Bark!Best____
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