[OSList] Conversation with Tricia

Sat Mar 30 13:26:53 PDT 2013

Second thoughts after being so serious!  What I wrote above distracted me
from the on-line 4-hour remedial on-line driving exam that I was doing to
erase the points on my license from speeding -- going 50 miles in a 35 mile
an hour zone. Oh the irony of it all!

Suzanne

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Suzanne Daigle <sdaigle4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Like a bumble bee, as I hover over this conversation and others, I find
> myself reflecting out loud. I find myself wondering if what I am thinking
> is too simple?
>
> Am I lazy or misguided? Am I too trusting or naive?  Will it matter when I
> look back on my life?
>
> Three combinations of thoughts:
>
> 1. Structure and action...too dominant and too quick everywhere we look?
> So often it is the first question asked of a client or others when we speak
> of Open Space, What will be the outcomes? What were the outcomes in
> situations similar to ours? What actions were taken? What were the
> results?  Am I naive to trust that where there is something really
> important, when there is passion, urgency, complexity and diverse people
> who care deeply about the matter at hand, that actions and structure(s)
> will emerge naturally from many or a few, the right action, the right
> people taking the lead, the best actions whatever they may be. That the
> wisdom from the group (s) will surface without predestining it to be so
> before the journey has even become. And if I do predestine, will I not be
> narrowing what may happen by putting this in the space ahead of time.  Will
> it not narrow the "expansive now" that might be possible? Will it place the
> responsibility/leadership on the shoulders of some and not others?  Will it
> diminish the delight of people finding each other because I or others will
> be encumbered by what I or we expect?  If no actions happen, who says it is
> so? When there are so many closed spaces in our lives and when we invite
> open space with many experiencing this for the very first time, like a fine
> wine that we wish to enjoy, is there not value to a bit of fermentation, a
> savoring of what is unfolding? Is this not what I will remember and is it
> not the case that the actions that will be invented in the immediacy or
> perhaps a bit later, will have a special context, intensity, drive and
> energy because somehow they will matter all that much more.  Of course,
> because our world reveres prediction, control and results, structures and
> boundaries, it takes a bit or a lot to let go and let be. Am I lazy or
> misguided, trusting or naive in thinking this is so?
>
> 2. Creativity and self-organizing -- a mighty pair. How often in our lives
> do we have the opportunity to be creators with others, diving in and diving
> deep, speaking with our own unique voice (what is buried there) with less
> fear and with much heart/head care, hearing others with curiosity and less
> judgment (tis truly difficult because often enthusiasm and passion for me
> at  least gets in the way).  It is through Open Space that I have seen in
> myself and others, the fertile ground that sprouts individual and
> collective creativity and it all starts with a few simple rules, an amazing
> law and then writing a few words on a piece of paper to which we have
> signed our names as if on a marquee for all to see not the least of whom
> ourselves. I have such reverence for this simple process.  Like breath, it
> truly is life giving.
>
> 3. Trusting and expanding our now!  Open Space is something that invites
> us to slow down and when we do, letting go the future concern for action
> and structure, trusting that in an expanded now with nothing in the space,
> these will truly emerge in the way they will.  A slow down to go fast when
> the time is right and ripe, happening over and over again.
>
> In our western world, we have been going faster and faster, working harder
> and harder, doing more and more, with lots of emphasis and conversation
> around structuring, planning and predicting.
>
> Yet history has  taught us that the greatest inventions, the biggest
> breakthroughs, have happened when we were doing nothing or next to nothing,
> with some ideas scribbled on the back of a napkin or from a flash of
> insight following a quiet lull when a single voice speaks out and is heard
> or when we throw our hands up in the air in despair and then suddenly it
> happens. Others times it's in the heat of the moment. Rarely it seems is it
> in the busyness of doing, planning and structuring though certainly
> "effective, efficient, purposeful and joyful" doing have their place.
>
> If truth be told, how much space in our life is accorded to opening space
> and relishing that space. Being present, being grateful, being curious
> without being encumbered too much about what comes next. Am I naive in
> thinking that peace, productivity and high performance could emerge from
> this? Am I closing space inside of me by believing this to be so? All I can
> say is that I just can't let it go.
>
> Like the soft gentle breeze, the swishing of the waves off the white
> sands, the warm sunshine, sea smells and azure blue waters, what would
> WOSonOS2013 be if we embraced the "one less thing to do" as the major
> invitational ingredient of our Open Space in May?
>
> What fine space it would be if we could *be* together in this expanded
> space coming from *nothing* knowing it will lead to an *everything* that
> will surprise and delight.
>
> Imagine if it could be so... such is our collective invitation!
>
> Suzanne
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>wrote:
>
>> Tricia wrote: “So, in consideration of these observations, how would you
>> structure a forum for *ongoing* collaboration among a diverse and
>> distributed community…”****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I would not structure it. I couldn’t. I’d just let it grow and add a
>> little fertilizer as needed. Re-reading this (after I mistakenly pushed
>> “send”), it struck me as flip and not all that helpful. So what I meant to
>> say goes something like this…****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> When we start an adventure such as you describe, it seems that our first
>> thoughts automatically go to: How to Structure? The presumption is that you
>> have to create the structure first before anything useful can happen. I
>> just don’t think that is the case, and more to the point I find that
>> predesigned structures tend to get in the way, and usually cause more
>> problems than they could ever solve. There is either too much (usual case),
>> too little, or just irrelevant to the emerging task at hand. In worst case
>> scenarios I have seen people take out books on organizational design and
>> then either create or borrow the whole enchilada – Board of Directors,
>> Executive staff, rules of procedure, membership requirements, etc – The
>> discussions are endless, heated, and divisive. And in the meantime whatever
>> passion or desire that may have inspired the effort has dribbled off into a
>> corner somewhere and disappears.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> There is a better way, I think. Just start… and invite anybody who cares,
>> or might care, about the proposed Forum to come together by whatever means
>> appropriate (electronically, plane, train, bus, feet). Form the circle
>> followed by (guess what?) – Bulletin board, Market place and go to work. As
>> we see every time we open Space, the emergent structure is virtually
>> instantaneous and also appropriate to the people, the task, and the
>> environment in which they work. Structure IS important, but to be effective
>> it must be appropriate! ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Is that all there is? Maybe, but if the Forum is to continue some
>> additional structural support will be helpful. But here I think less is
>> always best – and my suggestion for how to get it right starts with a
>> fundamental question: *What is the minimal level of structure required
>> for our needs?* This is not the time for extraneous bells and whistles
>> that somebody else might like. What do we need? What is appropriate in our
>> situation? Nothing more, and less if we can get away with it.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Maybe I am being a little too harsh but I have seen, and I suspect we
>> have all seen, situations where structure just begets structure and more of
>> the same. For a while it is kind of fun with all those committees,
>> reporting lines, delegations of authority, flow charts, and organizational
>> diagrams. But there does come a time, usually sooner than later, when we
>> find ourselves consuming more time and energy “running” the business
>> (Forum) than “doing” the business. Over time the wonderful structures
>> simply overwhelm, and the business/Forum dies of suffocation. Ever been
>> there?    Unless I miss my guess, most folks find themselves in such a
>> situation every time they go to work. Which is why they call it WORK, I
>> suppose. And Work, by definition cannot be fun!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> By now there may be more than a few rolling eyeballs, if they haven’t
>> already closed and moved on to the next item here on OSLIST. Harrison is
>> off on one of his wild tangents that sound sort of nice, but never could
>> happen in the REAL world. Oh? ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Tricia if you read over what you have written (“How would you structure a
>> forum for *ongoing* collaboration among a diverse and distributed
>> community that took into consideration the time/attention constraints of
>> some members, such as investors, as well as the technology access
>> limitations of others, who would benefit from announced/scheduled events?”)
>> I believe you will see a perfect “system’s specification” for the “OS
>> Community”– which we might have written 28 years ago when there was nothing
>> but a few odd people drawn together in a common circle of concern. From
>> that time until the present moment there has never been a speck of
>> predetermined organizational design. No board, no specified procedures
>> devised by some executive committee, no formal membership – but I do
>> believe we have become the proof of our pudding, so to speak. It surely
>> works, has for quite a while, and shows no particular sign of giving up and
>> going away. And what happened (s) once surely can happen again. Just don’t
>> try to “structure “it. J****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Harrison****
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>> *On Behalf Of *Tricia Chirumbole
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2013 5:53 PM
>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Conversation with Tricia****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts HO and Paul! Yes, I agree on circles and spirals
>> - I am an exceptionally spiraly thinker and liver myself and appreciate
>> this. Probably part of why OS appeals to me is that  people often try to
>> pin me down, line me up, and get me organized! which I don't like!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> So, in consideration of these observations, how would you structure a
>> forum for *ongoing* collaboration among a diverse and distributed
>> community that took into consideration the time/attention constraints of
>> some members, such as investors, as well as the technology access
>> limitations of others, who would benefit from announced/scheduled events?
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> A big part of the motivation is to encourage a broad array of sectors and
>> participant "types" to  contribute to the discussion "before" ideas are
>> seeded versus somewhere down the line when they typically get involved to
>> review or vet or mentor projects - as well as to have a space where these
>> different types can interact on a more dynamic and level playing field.
>> ...even when there is discrete interaction during conferences or pitch
>> events, it is very top down and not very collaborative - as you all know.
>> ****
>>
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>>
>> Another prime motivator is to provide space where open sharing of ideas
>> and cooperative models of executing initiatives is supported....my sneaky
>> hope is that they would emerge in "real" life :)****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Does any of that make sense? I just worked this all up rather quickly and
>> my messaging on those points is not very strong. ****
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>> Thanks :)****
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>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 5:16 PM, paul levy <paul at cats3000.net> wrote:****
>>
>> Tricia****
>>
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>> I'd also suggest people also go in spirals, they go backwards as well as
>> forwards and they experience past and future too, not only now. It's messy
>> and its wonderful. ****
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>> But most of all it is improvisation born of imagination, inspiration
>> and intuition that opens space.****
>>
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>> And even space itself is a glorious mystery - it doesn't only open - it
>> also involves, shifts, and dances.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Practically this means that space opens not only for content but also for
>> process. So, improvise by serving the community on the day and in the
>> moment.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Paul ****
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 29 March 2013, Harrison Owen wrote:****
>>
>> Tricia – I think your intentions are superb, but I wonder about the
>> execution. My question comes from spending a lot of time watching a lot of
>> groups seeking to engage their past, present and their future (NOW). My
>> observations may not accord with everybody else’s, but I got what I got.
>> ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> The first thing I really “got” is that, even though we all like to think
>> that we as individuals and as groups engage in discussion and exploration
>> in a linear fashion (a first, second, third, etc) in fact we seem to go in
>> circles, or maybe more exactly we do shifting circular search patterns
>> which appear to be quite random. The effect is that it may appear that we
>> do everything all at once, or perhaps you could say, we start anywhere, and
>> go everywhere.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> When I think of my own thinking process (as in writing a book) – it is
>> true that there is a page 1 and proceeding. But the thought process is
>> anything but linear sequential. Something initially grabs my attention but
>> where that “thing” actually ends up in the book is anybody’s guess. I
>> suppose that is why some people find mind mapping useful – Personally I
>> don’t if only because my mind seems to outstrip my graphic capabilities, or
>> more probably I am such a dilettante with a very finite attention span that
>> I just keep flitting about. And then there is the fact that some of my best
>> thinking takes place when it doesn’t seem that I am thinking at all. Naps
>> are so rich! And then there is the shower…****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> All that may be my personal pathology, but I think I see the same thing
>> in all the groups I am witness to. Folks go in circles, and circles in
>> circles, around circles, etc. When things really get rich, it is massively
>> messy – but fun. And mess and fun are two essential ingredients for a
>> seriously creative group, I find. It is also the total antithesis of an
>> “orderly program!” It does seem that a lot of stuff could get lost in the
>> mess or overlooked in the fun, and probably it does. But somehow the really
>> good stuff keep bubbling to the surface and streams of communication move
>> at light speed, and somehow impact just about everybody. The presumption
>> often is that if we don’t write something down (Make the record) it will be
>> lost. I guess there is some truth in that – but the capacity of groups to
>> process massively complex issues in an elegant fashion, at least in terms
>> of the end product (forget how they get there) simply blows me away. And
>> the whole business of “record keeping” by whatever means is only a very
>> small part of that story.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> So where am I going with all this? Around in circles, for sure. But there
>> may be a point. *Don’t fix it if it ain’t broke!* My experience, and I
>> suspect our common experience, in Open Space is that amazingly
>> dysfunctional, cantankerous, angry, disillusioned groups of people can, and
>> often do, achieve truly elegant results. Not always, not everywhere … but
>> personally I have never been really been disappointed provided: The people
>> assembled because they cared to be there to engage an issue or opportunity
>> they cared deeply about. From that point on it was pretty simple. Sit in a
>> circle, create a bulletin board, open a market place, and get out of the
>> way.* *****
>>
>> * *****
>>
>> There is a part of me that wishes all this wasn’t true, that it had not
>> been my experience. To the extent that I “created” Open Space I can
>> honestly say that is the last thing I ever intended to do. Yes I have had
>> massive fun and met many great people, but -- it cost me a lot of money and
>> no small amount of professional reputation. Billable hours went out the
>> window, and talking the way I have just been doing is not the sort of thing
>> that gets you a tenured appointment at a leading business school J But I
>> love it!****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Harrison ****
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>>  ****
>>
>> Harrison Owen****
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>>
>> Thanks Harrison and Michael for the thought-provoking feedback! please
>> send more :)****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Awesome story about the work in Nepal Michael! Do you think the AI
>> framework added anything or would you have preferred to stay straight up,
>> no rocks? ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> My rationale: This is a rough, scratchy draft of thoughts and I was
>> hoping for ideas! ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> The desire is definitely to be open and user-driven, with all but one
>> event being OS and the invitation for groups to branch off and do their
>> thing throughout and offline. ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Use of AI reasoning: I chose an AI design for the first event to help
>> people get in that appreciative mode of thought and set the tone. We are so
>> used to doing things in a certain way and I don't think this perspective
>> emerges as easily for some. ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> The first event was also intended to help get everyone up to speed and on
>> the same page in terms of larger trends that everyone may not be aware of
>> and to provide a good launching pad for an Open Space with a primer in
>> shared values and existing assets. ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> I do see that shared values is something that comes through in an Open
>> Space, but I was drawn to the very pointed approach of focusing on
>> strengths and values exclusively before delving into what do we do, how do
>> we do it, what's already happening, etc.....I guess alternatively you could
>> turn it into an OS prompt. ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> The structured event prompts using the AI "d's", as well as the shared
>> docs, are intended to allow for a flowing pool of participants, where each
>> event may have a different mix, but people can jump in and have a sense of
>> where the flow was going.....it is true that the flow may go faster or
>> slower or in a different direction, so the event prompts may be limiting or
>> inappropriate...will have to think on that - perhaps have the community
>> decide the prompt for the next event after each is completed as well as
>> determine the frequency of the real-time events? I like that better -
>> thoughts? ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> that's all i've got for now - any other insights or illustrations are
>> much welcome!!****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Michael Herman <
>> michael at michaelherman.com> wrote:****
>>
>> harrison and tricia, your comments each remind me of some work we did in
>> nepal about ten years ago.  ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> on my first visit we did half a day of open space with about 20 college
>> students and instructors, followed by a long lunch and some time to talk
>> about why it works.  when i went back a year later, they'd organized a
>> day-long event, for twice as many community organizer, ngo, activist types,
>> to discuss "nepal 2020."  during that day, i talked with as many of the 40+
>> participants as i could about what it might look like if we did a 4-day
>> model i'd done elsewhere, two days of OS and two days of OS training.  when
>> i went back the next year, i thought that's what we were going to do. ***
>> *
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> what happened is that we had something more than 100 folks defy the
>> travel ban imposed by maoist rebels to attend what was billed as the first
>> national conference on peaceful development.  the OS+training plan never
>> saw the light of day.  since something they were calling the nepal AI
>> national network had officially convened the four-day meeting, it was to be
>> OS and AI, and we were do it and train it.  ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> our four days looked something like the plan tricia posted here, four
>> open spaces, each one of ours was on a different "D" of appreciative
>> inquiry.  the first morning was significantly eaten up by formal
>> welcomings, but the afternoon was all open space.  then next days openend
>> with bits of open space training observations, followed by a new opening
>> and agenda.  the last afternoon was formal closings, presenting results to
>> various government officials.  at night, some did AI training.  so we did
>> and taught os and ai all at once, loosely shaped on tricia's outline, but
>> also rather chaotically as harrison suggests.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> there was no formal reporting for this work but i wrote up my story.
>> http://www.michaelherman.com/cgi/wiki.cgi?NepalConferenceJournal  ...in
>> the beginning, we also set up a simple blog for their work.  it started in
>> english and then dissolved into a number of organizations' websites, mostly
>> in nepali.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> as the political turmoil proceeded, the rebels destroyed a 6000-year-old
>> gate in western nepal, to which one of my colleagues (whose house was
>> damaged in the blast) responded "we are starting to organize an open space
>> on how to rebuild the gate."  in the following years, they continued and
>> extended the OS/AI work with more conferences.  when the decade-long
>> rebellion was resolved, the conversation shifted to how they were going to
>> get the 600 members of the newly formed "constituent assembly" legislature
>> together in an OS/AI conference.  to my knowledge, that event never
>> happened, but the main practices seemed to have taken hold and the new
>> government is still in business.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> thanks to everyone who's been having and sharing this conversation.****
>>
>>  ****
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>> michael****
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>> --
>>
>> Michael Herman
>> Michael Herman Associates
>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>>
>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org****
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>>  ****
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
>> wrote:****
>>
>> Tricia – lot of good thinking here, but I can’t help feeling that you
>> that you may just be working a little too hard. J I understand the
>> pressures to describe a program (series of progressive/linked activities).
>> Funders, etc like all that. But two things come to mind, or at least pop
>> out of my experience. ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> 1st No program ever ran the way it was “supposed to,” albeit a great
>> deal of effort usually goes into trying, and then, after the fact, making
>> it seem like everything “worked according to the plan.” ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> 2nd Detailed Programs tend to take on a life of their own, regardless of
>> what the emergent systems and the environment surrounding them are actually
>> doing. It is called confusing the map with the territory – and is usually
>> very frustrating and painful.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> The alternative? You might be surprised when I suggest – Just open space
>> for anybody who cares about, “*development of feasible social enterprises
>> *” and then support the emergent system as it grows (or not). That
>> system will have its own internal resources and rhythms which cannot be
>> known in advance, but as they emerge all can be supported with cheerleading
>> and/or a little help as required. ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> When you start with The Program, as opposed to emerging system, you
>> almost inevitably get it wrong. For example, by adding bells and whistles
>> which may be wonderful in themselves, but really just consume time, space,
>> and energy accomplishing tasks that the system will create alternate ways
>> of a****
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>> ****
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>>  ****
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>> -- ****
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