[OSList] What would an open space government system look like?

Paul Nunesdea nunesdea at me.com
Tue Mar 26 07:55:32 PDT 2013



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El 26/03/2013, a las 15:39, paul levy <paul at cats3000.net> escribió:

> A very small bit of a reply to your large question...
> 
> I've worked with local government in the UK over the years. Government is very document and formal meeting-led. Meetings tend to be bureaucratic and very agenda-based and yet, in many meeitngs I've facilitated, the agenda is often departed from, or even thrown out all together. often agenda items go off at tangents and meetings get lost and frustrating.
> 
> On occasions I've offered pop-up open space, described ere: http://rationalmadness.wordpress.com/2013/03/12/pop-up-open-space/
> 
> A simple: "Hey why don't we open some space here and create a new agenda?" is often welcomed, especially if, as facilitator, you are trusted.
> 
> A quick market place and off we go. Some sessions form around pre-existing agenda items, other new sessions emerge.
> 
> I don't even bother with an intro to open space. That is one less thing to do.I find there is so much pent-up frustration in many government employees and a wish to get things not (not always but often), open space feels natural and freeing up.
> 
> Not always, but sometimes, a pop-up open space is a delightful alternative to the traditional agenda-driven way of government and it can often thrive under the radar of senior management officialdom? And how is that possible? For this reason: government bureaucracy is rarely about process but often about written records and minutes. In open space, sessions get written up, so who cares higher up how we got there?
> 
> Sometimes it works. Sometimes.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> On 26 March 2013 12:47, Kári Gunnarsson <kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is> wrote:
> It is closing on election day here in Iceland, several new political
> parties are forming, some with parliamentarians from the older
> parties. ...
> 
> This idea that the modern western government system is closed and
> siloed is worrying to me, I think it could be better. What would an
> open space government system look like?
> 
> 
> 
> On 25 March 2013 21:23, David Glenwinkel <david at villagecare.com> wrote:
>  
> > Thanks Harrison,
> >
> > I was a project trainer for Peace Corps Volunteers in the early 70’s, my mom
> > was a country director. I have worked with PC guys on the ground in Kenya
> > and Uganda, and it really revolutionized a few of them, one stayed with our
> > work in Lugazi Uganda for over a year. In the end I just didn’t have the
> > time and drive to work it “up the slope” to the right folks. Hopefully some
> > human resources are coming together that might take us to the right place.
> > You are so right about anything new or different not having as much chance
> > as an ice cube in hell of getting anything but fried by our siloed and
> > closed government system.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
> > [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen
> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 1:01 PM
> >
> >
> > To: 'World wide Open Space Technology email list'
> > Subject: [OSList] Conversations with David (retitled)
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks Tricia! Great to have this summary here on OSLIST. I know there are
> > lots of other electronic venues (Google Docs, etc) that are
> > better/sexier/whatever – but having something HERE accomplishes two very
> > useful things, I think. First, it makes it easily available to the global OS
> > community – some of whom are still running on Dial-up and don’t have all the
> > newest bells and whistles. Secondly, having a place on OSLIST insures that
> > the discussion will automatically become a part of the large and growing
> > Archives of the OS experience. I forget how many years we’ve got going now,
> > but it more than a few – and it is all searchable.  So many thanks!!
> >
> >
> >
> > And a few comments: Peace Corps – As an old Peace Corps staff member (I mean
> > really old, Liberia/’67-70), but with some continuing connections, I am sure
> > that the Village Care approach could be a marvelous fit with some
> > volunteers’ efforts. However, the way “in” does not run through Washington.
> > In fact it is almost a rule that innovative program initiatives never start
> > there. They start in the field with the volunteers. Washington support can
> > be helpful, but a “Washington Initiated Program” most usually is Dead on
> > Arrival. So David – with all your folks on the ground in Africa – just have
> > them talk to the volunteers, and tell their story.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for the Cabbies – true story. Happened in Tembesa, which is near Jo’berg,
> > RSA. There was indeed a little violence. The Cabbies were shooting each
> > other for fares. Messy to say the least, and then somebody suggested an Open
> > Space with all the Cabbies. They looked at me and thought I would jump at
> > the chance. But the truth of the matter was, I was terrified. Can you
> > imagine standing in the middle of a circle of armed cab drivers who had been
> > shooting each other? That’s when I came up with Plan B – “Economic
> > Development for Tembesa.” I figured with some more and different folks there
> > at least might be some cover.
> >
> >
> >
> > Harrison
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Harrison Owen
> >
> > 7808 River Falls Dr.
> >
> > Potomac, MD 20854
> >
> > USA
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> >
> >
> > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)
> >
> > Camden, Maine 04843
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> >
> >
> > Phone 301-365-2093
> >
> > (summer)  207-763-3261
> >
> >
> >
> > www.openspaceworld.com
> >
> > www.ho-image.com (Personal Website)
> >
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> >
> >
> > From: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
> > [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Tricia
> > Chirumbole
> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:39 AM
> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Village Care skype III - 1pm EST today!
> >
> >
> >
> > okey doke, text follows!
> >
> >
> >
> > I wanted a shared google doc so that we could have a running account that
> > was both editable and accessible by everyone. So I sent an invite that
> > allowed people to request access.
> >
> >
> >
> > SO, as a compromise, anyone interested in access to the google doc - let me
> > know and I will invite you individually :)
> >
> >
> >
> > NOTES>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
> >
> >
> >
> > Village Care skype 1
> >
> > ·         David shared the history and model for Village Care programs in
> > Africa that are built on self-sufficiency and open space-style events. The
> > programs involve gatherings that are usually 3 days with roughly 2 days
> > structured facilitation and 1 day Open Space, along with many other
> > elements.
> >
> > o   There are a few different program types including: Basic home practices
> > and Outcomes for Business.
> >
> > o   David will share the detailed program description upon request.
> >
> > ·         Participants shared their interest in and questions about the
> > Village Care program – David answered a number of our specific queries.
> >
> > ·         Participants shared their stories about holding OS events in
> > different cultural contexts.
> >
> > ·         We agreed to continue holding the skype sessions as there was a
> > lot to talk about – agreed to one hour duration for each conversation.
> >
> > ·         This is very rough and incomplete as I did not take notes on this
> > call!! :O
> >
> >
> >
> > Village Care skype 2
> >
> > ·         Participant mentioned his use of “pop-up open space”: When an
> > event is getting stale or losing energy, he suggests opening up some space
> > for next part of day/event. ..I think
> >
> > ·         Participant raised the idea of getting the Peace Corps behind the
> > Village Care program. She is a previous Peace Corps volunteer.
> >
> > o   David loves the idea and has tried to get the Peace Corps involved, even
> > traveling to DC to promote the idea, but had not made any progress.
> >
> > o   Open to the idea of pursuing this if anyone has any contacts as he feels
> > the missions of Village Care and Peace Corps are complimentary and that the
> > Village Care model could provide Peace Corps volunteers with an efficacious
> > program in contrast to the many assignments where there is not much to do or
> > a poor structure.
> >
> > ·         David introduced a book that he wrote called, The Insanity of
> > Africa – available to purchase on the Village Care website – proceeds
> > support the programming
> >
> > ·         Participants shared stories about follow-up to Open Space events
> > and successes that were reported ex post facto
> >
> > o   David was told by a client in Nigeria that, “Even if you never come
> > back, we will have been changed forever.”
> >
> > o   Linda discusses a story from client in Boulder, CO – a young,
> > successful, start-up tech company who she worked with early on in their
> > career with traditional Open Space events. The company incorporated the OS
> > process into their regular meetings. Some years later, she was joining them
> > again for an event and was asked if she had ever heard of Open Space.
> >
> > o   Linda provides a separate “next steps” form during some OS events. This
> > can be posted to the OS report so that participants can sign up for next
> > steps even if they were not a part of the group that created them.
> >
> > ·         Question was raised about whether or not anyone was developing
> > metrics for what works and what doesn’t/
> >
> > ·         OS story from Harrison relayed second-hand by participant.
> > Harrison was called in to a country to help with the issue they were having
> > with “cab wars” – conflict over cabbies trying to win customers. I think
> > there was an issue around cabbies feeling like customers were being stolen
> > out from under them, maybe fierce price competition, and perhaps even some
> > violence? ….not sure…What was uncovered was that the whole town was
> > experiencing economic problems, of which the cab wars were one
> > manifestation. The whole town was invited to an open space events and a
> > number of issues were resolved, including the cab issue….is this accurate?
> >
> > ·         Participant, I think Paul Levy, quoted Rudolph Steiner in
> > reference to his thoughts about OS and follow-up, “Spiritual time runs
> > backwards” – roughly paraphrased…explained that he feels that the follow up
> > can precede the Open Space and that it is not always about action to be
> > generated, but about traveling back in time to the source, not always
> > forward to action, but back toward remembering what they already know…
> >
> > ·         At the same time, part of a good invitation, is an invitation to
> > action – make it clear that you can start a session focused on action
> > planning at 9am the first day, you don’t have to always wait until the end
> > impatiently and wait for formal convergence.
> >
> > o   Beatrice adds that this all depends on the objective of the client
> >
> > ·         Skye Hirst and Tricia Chirumbole are both motivated to connect
> > with David about potential collaborative opportunities.
> >
> > o   Tricia is interested in getting her contacts in Ghana involved with
> > Village Care.
> >
> > o   She is also interested in exploring ways to scale Village Care,
> > including to “developed” countries.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > Our moderator is a wonderful self-selected volunteer in the best of OS
> > tradition – one Harold Shinsato. He actually moved us from our old home at
> > Bose State to our new digs. In an effort to save space and keep thing simple
> > things like attachments and graphics are generally avoided. So the easiest,
> > best way to post stuff is not with an attachment, but just put it out there,
> > loud, clear, bold, and beautiful.
> >
> >
> >
> > Harrison
> >
> >
> >
> > Harrison Owen
> >
> > 7808 River Falls Dr.
> >
> > Potomac, MD 20854
> >
> > USA
> >
> >
> >
> > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)
> >
> > Camden, Maine 04843
> >
> >
> >
> > Phone 301-365-2093
> >
> > (summer)  207-763-3261
> >
> >
> >
> > www.openspaceworld.com
> >
> > www.ho-image.com (Personal Website)
> >
> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST
> > Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
> >
> >
> >
> > From: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
> > [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Tricia
> > Chirumbole
> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:09 AM
> >
> >
> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Village Care skype III - 1pm EST today!
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Harrison!
> >
> >
> >
> > Attached is a word doc w/ some notes - they are not complete, and likely not
> > entirely accurate :o
> >
> >
> >
> > I created a google doc and shared it with the list on Friday, BUT, it is
> > awaiting moderator approval since it came from some google-based email
> > address, which is not a member of the OS list.
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you know who this shadowy list moderator is???
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Tricia! It’s me again. Still wondering what is happening with all this
> > marvelous Skyping! Just a teaser would surely do.
> >
> >
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> >
> > Harrison Owen
> >
> > 7808 River Falls Dr.
> >
> > Potomac, MD 20854
> >
> > USA
> >
> >
> >
> > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)
> >
> > Camden, Maine 04843
> >
> >
> >
> > Phone 301-365-2093
> >
> > (summer)  207-763-3261
> >
> >
> >
> > www.openspaceworld.com
> >
> > www.ho-image.com (Personal Website)
> >
> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST
> > Go to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
> >
> >
> >
> > From: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
> > [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Tricia
> > Chirumbole
> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:31 AM
> >
> >
> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Village Care skype III - 1pm EST today!
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry about that Jamie! The time is EDT.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Jamie Colston <jamiecolston at googlemail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Tricia
> >
> >
> >
> > Is it est or edt? Just to check as I need to find out what my local time is?
> > My Skype name is below
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Jamie
> >
> > Jamie Colston
> >
> >
> >
> > Tel: 07909442006
> >
> > Email: jamiecolston at gmail.com
> >
> > Skype: father_to_zephyr
> >
> > Twitter: spearthwarrior
> >
> >
> >
> > Programme Leader
> >
> > www.now-here.com/ecl
> >
> >
> >
> > Facilitator & Catalyst
> >
> > Www.greenvisionmovement.org
> >
> >
> > On 25 Mar 2013, at 12:57, Tricia Chirumbole
> > <tricia at investorswithoutborders.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all!
> >
> >
> >
> > By popular vote, the Village Care skype with David Glenwinkel will commence
> > today, Monday March 25th at 1pm EDT - pending David's confirmation.
> >
> >
> >
> > I will initiate the skype, but I need to be on another call, so I will only
> > have from 1pm-1:05pm EST to get all interested participants on the call.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you want to be on and we are not yet connected on skype, please: 1) send
> > me your skype name, and 2) accept my request for you to share your contact
> > info via skype.
> >
> >
> >
> > Doodle link to confirm your interest in participating:
> > http://doodle.com/v5hheuq6kdmmsfhk
> >
> >
> >
> > btw, on Friday I typed up notes from previous calls and shared with the OS
> > list via a google doc - email w/ attachment is pending approval by the
> > OSlist moderator - whoever that shadowy figure might be :)
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Tricia Chirumbole
> > US: +1-571-232-0942
> > Skype: tricia.chirumbole
> >
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