[OSList] Follow-Up and Flow in Open Space

Tue Mar 26 00:00:56 PDT 2013

Hi Gijs,

I am not familiar with this, but I would love to disuss this when we meet on May 6. Anyone in or near The Netherlands at the time: email me for details of the Stammtisch.

I can also see a person not filing each day away carefully, but letting go of it and living completely in the now. Maybe that is even more open.

Koos

Van: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] Namens Gijs Mega
Verzonden: dinsdag 26 maart 2013 04:11
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Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Follow-Up and Flow in Open Space

"The pessimist resembles a man who observes with fear and sadness that his wall calendar, from which he daily tears a sheet, grows thinner each passing day.

On the other hand, the person who attacks the problems of life actively in like a man who removes each successive leaf from his calendar and files it neatly and carefully away with it's predecessors, after first having jotted down a few diary notes on the back. He can reflect with pride and joy on all the richness set down in these notes, on the life he has already lived to the fullest." 

Doesn't the latter person keeps the space open, whereas the first ones closes it down?

A quote that I read in Viktor E Frankl's, man's search for meaning, while Paul addressed putting action planning at the beginning and subsequently a dialogue about past, present and future.

It was first published over 50 years ago, so many will have read it.

Frankl's LogoTherapy, making people fully aware of their own responsibilities, I find fascinating.

Does anyone in The Netherlands have more on this? I will visit NL end of April, early May. Possibly good stuff for the Stammtisch on May 6 ....

Gijs

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Once upon a time, a monk left his monastery for a walk and settled under a shady tree to read his favorite novel. As he sat there he was completely enthralled by a bird singing his very best song. When the bird flew off, Peter, thats this monks name, closed his book and strolled back to his monastery. On knocking, the door opened and a brother he had not seen asked him what he wanted. Peter answered, that he was Peter and just returned from a short walk. The fellow that opened let him know that there was no Peter in the monastery. Peter insisted to be let in so the brother called the Prior who, upon thinking a bit, did remember a story of a Peter that left the monastery for a short walk 300 years ago and never showed up again.
Here you have a fat NOW, a birds song of a couple of minutes expanding into 300 years. Plenty of NOW in this now with loads of past and future.

Greetings from bright sunshine in Berlin with icy winds, still.
mmp

On 24.03.2013 23:28, Harrison Owen wrote:

It is only a manner of speaking. If your NOW is big enough it includes

what we (used to) call Past and Future. So how is that for esoterica?

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Harrison

Yes, and more...

The "now" becomes enormous because it forms part of the time organism -

a living organism because past, present and future all live vibrantly

within it. This is no mere theory. Now is where we are present, but

before and beyond are where we are also alive.

But no. The past isn't over. It is both before and before. The past lies

up ahead. The past is full of seeds but also it contains keys. The past

is a living picture playing in and out of the now. As does the future.

History is the high-story.

Practically (and this is where a bias towards one dimension limits the

opening of space)...

What do we wish had happened?

What would have happened if ... ?

What happened ?

These are not questions for a past that is over and done with. These are

questions for the future "before us".

Whatever happened is not the only thing that could have. Whatever

happened is one of my things that could happen.

Dive into that - if only for the game of it!

We can live many lives and still not get close to the real vistas of

space and time that wait to be opened. Potential lives in the whole time

organism, not only the now. There's something special about now, but its

not the whole story!

Go on, imagine you might have missed a trick...!

Paul

On Sunday, 24 March 2013, Harrison Owen wrote:

Paul – “And it is why I believe that when we open space, we open space

not only for the future but for our whole "time organism".”  I like it.

If only because I wrote a book, “Expanding Our Now.” The idea is simple,

maybe simple minded. But it goes like this: The past is over, the future

hasn’t happened yet. What we got is NOW. And how big can we make that? I

don’t know, but it is a lot bigger than most of us think – which is

usually measured in nanoseconds.   A very small NOW. – But when we Open

Space, my experience is that NOW becomes enormous. Well past

chronometric measurement. Or something.

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Perfectly described, Koos!

And it is why I believe that when we open space, we open space not only

for the future but for our whole "time organism".

It is also why, if there must be "action planning" is need not only come

at the end!

Time is linear, circular and many other things as well.

Warm rushes

Paul

On Sunday, 24 March 2013, Koos de Heer wrote:

Paul,

I once heard a story from someone who had been to Greece, interviewing

people about the political and economic situation there.  He reports

that some people would say: “We can’t predict the future – after all,

you have no idea of the things that are still hidden behind your back.”

 The metaphor of the way time flows there  is the opposite of ours. In

Western Europe, we picture ourselves as looking to the future and having

the past behind our backs. Apparently in Greece, the people experience

the timeline so that the future is coming from behind and the past is

disappearing in front of them. So they are looking at the past and not

seeing the future. Which makes sense; we think we look at the future,

but what are we looking at? Only images, because we don’t know what it

will be. Which also leads to the question whether our images from the

past are correct, but that is another story.

This leads me to wondering if there might be cultures where time is

viewed as circular, which would make even more sense to me.

Koos

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David

There's a depth and warm texture to your model.

I would offer this:

You define vision this:

"what does it look like when it is done"

I believe that is only part of vision.

Vision is what does the temporal picture look like: the picture of past,

present AND future, all playing into each other. As I said earlier -

what went before (past) is also before us (future, in front).

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