[OSList] Conversations with David (retitled)

Harrison Owen hhowen at verizon.net
Mon Mar 25 13:01:13 PDT 2013


Thanks Tricia! Great to have this summary here on OSLIST. I know there are lots of other electronic venues (Google Docs, etc) that are better/sexier/whatever – but having something HERE accomplishes two very useful things, I think. First, it makes it easily available to the global OS community – some of whom are still running on Dial-up and don’t have all the newest bells and whistles. Secondly, having a place on OSLIST insures that the discussion will automatically become a part of the large and growing Archives of the OS experience. I forget how many years we’ve got going now, but it more than a few – and it is all searchable.  So many thanks!!

 

And a few comments: Peace Corps – As an old Peace Corps staff member (I mean really old, Liberia/’67-70), but with some continuing connections, I am sure that the Village Care approach could be a marvelous fit with some volunteers’ efforts. However, the way “in” does not run through Washington. In fact it is almost a rule that innovative program initiatives never start there. They start in the field with the volunteers. Washington support can be helpful, but a “Washington Initiated Program” most usually is Dead on Arrival. So David – with all your folks on the ground in Africa – just have them talk to the volunteers, and tell their story. 

 

As for the Cabbies – true story. Happened in Tembesa, which is near Jo’berg, RSA. There was indeed a little violence. The Cabbies were shooting each other for fares. Messy to say the least, and then somebody suggested an Open Space with all the Cabbies. They looked at me and thought I would jump at the chance. But the truth of the matter was, I was terrified. Can you imagine standing in the middle of a circle of armed cab drivers who had been shooting each other? That’s when I came up with Plan B – “Economic Development for Tembesa.” I figured with some more and different folks there at least might be some cover.

 

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From: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Tricia Chirumbole
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:39 AM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Subject: Re: [OSList] Village Care skype III - 1pm EST today!

 

okey doke, text follows! 

 

I wanted a shared google doc so that we could have a running account that was both editable and accessible by everyone. So I sent an invite that allowed people to request access. 

 

SO, as a compromise, anyone interested in access to the google doc - let me know and I will invite you individually :)

 

NOTES>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

 

Village Care skype 1

·         David shared the history and model for Village Care programs in Africa that are built on self-sufficiency and open space-style events. The programs involve gatherings that are usually 3 days with roughly 2 days structured facilitation and 1 day Open Space, along with many other elements. 

o   There are a few different program types including: Basic home practices and Outcomes for Business. 

o   David will share the detailed program description upon request. 

·         Participants shared their interest in and questions about the Village Care program – David answered a number of our specific queries.

·         Participants shared their stories about holding OS events in different cultural contexts.

·         We agreed to continue holding the skype sessions as there was a lot to talk about – agreed to one hour duration for each conversation.  

·         This is very rough and incomplete as I did not take notes on this call!! :O

 

Village Care skype 2

·         Participant mentioned his use of “pop-up open space”: When an event is getting stale or losing energy, he suggests opening up some space for next part of day/event. ..I think

·         Participant raised the idea of getting the Peace Corps behind the Village Care program. She is a previous Peace Corps volunteer. 

o   David loves the idea and has tried to get the Peace Corps involved, even traveling to DC to promote the idea, but had not made any progress. 

o   Open to the idea of pursuing this if anyone has any contacts as he feels the missions of Village Care and Peace Corps are complimentary and that the Village Care model could provide Peace Corps volunteers with an efficacious program in contrast to the many assignments where there is not much to do or a poor structure. 

·         David introduced a book that he wrote called, The Insanity of Africa – available to purchase on the Village Care website – proceeds support the programming 

·         Participants shared stories about follow-up to Open Space events and successes that were reported ex post facto

o   David was told by a client in Nigeria that, “Even if you never come back, we will have been changed forever.”

o   Linda discusses a story from client in Boulder, CO – a young, successful, start-up tech company who she worked with early on in their career with traditional Open Space events. The company incorporated the OS process into their regular meetings. Some years later, she was joining them again for an event and was asked if she had ever heard of Open Space. 

o   Linda provides a separate “next steps” form during some OS events. This can be posted to the OS report so that participants can sign up for next steps even if they were not a part of the group that created them. 

·         Question was raised about whether or not anyone was developing metrics for what works and what doesn’t/ 

·         OS story from Harrison relayed second-hand by participant. Harrison was called in to a country to help with the issue they were having with “cab wars” – conflict over cabbies trying to win customers. I think there was an issue around cabbies feeling like customers were being stolen out from under them, maybe fierce price competition, and perhaps even some violence? ….not sure…What was uncovered was that the whole town was experiencing economic problems, of which the cab wars were one manifestation. The whole town was invited to an open space events and a number of issues were resolved, including the cab issue….is this accurate? 

·         Participant, I think Paul Levy, quoted Rudolph Steiner in reference to his thoughts about OS and follow-up, “Spiritual time runs backwards” – roughly paraphrased…explained that he feels that the follow up can precede the Open Space and that it is not always about action to be generated, but about traveling back in time to the source, not always forward to action, but back toward remembering what they already know…

·         At the same time, part of a good invitation, is an invitation to action – make it clear that you can start a session focused on action planning at 9am the first day, you don’t have to always wait until the end impatiently and wait for formal convergence. 

o   Beatrice adds that this all depends on the objective of the client

·         Skye Hirst and Tricia Chirumbole are both motivated to connect with David about potential collaborative opportunities. 

o   Tricia is interested in getting her contacts in Ghana involved with Village Care. 

o   She is also interested in exploring ways to scale Village Care, including to “developed” countries. 

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:

Our moderator is a wonderful self-selected volunteer in the best of OS tradition – one Harold Shinsato. He actually moved us from our old home at Bose State to our new digs. In an effort to save space and keep thing simple things like attachments and graphics are generally avoided. So the easiest, best way to post stuff is not with an attachment, but just put it out there, loud, clear, bold, and beautiful.

 

Harrison

 

Harrison Owen

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Potomac, MD 20854

USA

 

189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)

Camden, Maine 04843

 

Phone 301-365-2093

(summer)  207-763-3261

 

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From: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Tricia Chirumbole
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 11:09 AM


To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Subject: Re: [OSList] Village Care skype III - 1pm EST today!

 

Hey Harrison!

 

Attached is a word doc w/ some notes - they are not complete, and likely not entirely accurate :o

 

I created a google doc and shared it with the list on Friday, BUT, it is awaiting moderator approval since it came from some google-based email address, which is not a member of the OS list. 

 

Do you know who this shadowy list moderator is??? 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:

Hi Tricia! It’s me again. Still wondering what is happening with all this marvelous Skyping! Just a teaser would surely do.

 

J

 

Harrison Owen

7808 River Falls Dr.

Potomac, MD 20854

USA

 

189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)

Camden, Maine 04843

 

Phone 301-365-2093

(summer)  207-763-3261

 

www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com%20>  

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From: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Tricia Chirumbole
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:31 AM


To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Subject: Re: [OSList] Village Care skype III - 1pm EST today!

 

Sorry about that Jamie! The time is EDT. 

 

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Jamie Colston <jamiecolston at googlemail.com> wrote:

Hi Tricia 

 

Is it est or edt? Just to check as I need to find out what my local time is? My Skype name is below 

Thanks

 

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On 25 Mar 2013, at 12:57, Tricia Chirumbole <tricia at investorswithoutborders.net> wrote:

Hi all!

 

By popular vote, the Village Care skype with David Glenwinkel will commence today, Monday March 25th at 1pm EDT - pending David's confirmation. 

 

I will initiate the skype, but I need to be on another call, so I will only have from 1pm-1:05pm EST to get all interested participants on the call. 

 

If you want to be on and we are not yet connected on skype, please: 1) send me your skype name, and 2) accept my request for you to share your contact info via skype. 

 

Doodle link to confirm your interest in participating: http://doodle.com/v5hheuq6kdmmsfhk

 

btw, on Friday I typed up notes from previous calls and shared with the OS list via a google doc - email w/ attachment is pending approval by the OSlist moderator - whoever that shadowy figure might be :)

 

Thanks!

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