[OSList] Follow-Up and Flow in Open Space

lucia pavia Ticzon living.systems.org.luch at gmail.com
Sun Mar 24 15:25:00 PDT 2013


for sure, there are such worldviews.

not only circular ...
infolding and unfolding, unfurling and unraveling, undulating and spiraling
...
making itself over and over again.

not just time ...
bliss and suffering, as well as living and dying ...

thanksgiving be [?]
greetings from the philippines.

luchie


On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 1:08 PM, paul levy <paul at cats3000.net> wrote:

Perfectly described, Koos!
>
> And it is why I believe that when we open space, we open space not only
> for the future but for our whole "time organism".
>
> It is also why, if there must be "action planning" is need not only come
> at the end!
>
> Time is linear, circular and many other things as well.
>
> Warm rushes
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Sunday, 24 March 2013, Koos de Heer wrote:
>
>> Paul,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I once heard a story from someone who had been to Greece, interviewing
>> people about the political and economic situation there.  He reports that
>> some people would say: “We can’t predict the future – after all, you have
>> no idea of the things that are still hidden behind your back.”  The
>> metaphor of the way time flows there  is the opposite of ours. In Western
>> Europe, we picture ourselves as looking to the future and having the past
>> behind our backs. Apparently in Greece, the people experience the timeline
>> so that the future is coming from behind and the past is disappearing in
>> front of them. So they are looking at the past and not seeing the future.
>> Which makes sense; we think we look at the future, but what are we looking
>> at? Only images, because we don’t know what it will be. Which also leads to
>> the question whether our images from the past are correct, but that is
>> another story.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> This leads me to wondering if there might be cultures where time is
>> viewed as circular, which would make even more sense to me.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Koos****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *Van:* oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org [mailto:
>> oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *Namens *paul levy
>> *Verzonden:* zondag 24 maart 2013 19:37
>> *Aan:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSList] Follow-Up and Flow in Open Space****
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>> ** **
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>> David****
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>> ** **
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>> There's a depth and warm texture to your model.****
>>
>> ** **
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>> I would offer this:****
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>> ** **
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>> You define vision this:
>> "what does it look like when it is done"****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I believe that is only part of vision. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Vision is what does the temporal picture look like: the picture of past,
>> present AND future, all playing into each other. As I said earlier - what
>> went before (past) is also before us (future, in front).****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Such a magical word - before - it means both behind and in front !****
>>
>> ** **
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>> When we open space for a vision of the whole timeline - the unfolding
>> story - then something often emerges - it is this: potential ****
>>
>> ** **
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>> I believe we can only truly know the future vision when we look back at
>> it. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Be prepared to be surprised.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> The future is often revealed by opening space for the present and the
>> past.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Futures are fulfilled in where we have travelled from.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Paul****
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 24 March 2013, David wrote:****
>>
>> When I do open space with my business hat on in the consulting role, I
>> almost always start with four imperatives that most companies start with,
>> even if they havent articulated it, but soon lose sight of. I call it VMPM.
>> Vision, Mission, Purpose, Method. Many companies have a mission statement,
>> few ever read it after it has been written. NO company is healthy for more
>> than a year or two at a time, although many run very successfully from the
>> economic metric for years or decades. I just put up the four words, the
>> group gets to define them. Here are my definitions, that we usually start
>> with to frame the discussion:****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Vision: what does it look like when it is done. A vision is a snapshot,
>> or series of snapshots. Vision is not Mission.****
>>
>> Mission: What is the target, how does the map compare to the territory.
>> The territory is not always reflected on the map. (just by a street map of
>> Nairobi sometime, and you will see what I mean).  Mission is not Purpose.
>> ****
>>
>> Purpose: the personal "why" . Purpose is purpose, it is my personal core
>> driver. ****
>>
>> Method: How we do it, the outflow of the inflow of the first three
>> points. Method is how I achieve my self interests as part of a
>> collaborative community, also called a company. ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> All successful communities have these common elements: Community! which
>> is collaborative and cooperative, consistent and committed. ****
>>
>>
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