[OSList] Ang.: Certification?

Chris Weaver chrisgweaver13 at gmail.com
Sat Aug 10 10:25:00 PDT 2013 

well said indeed :-)


On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Chris Corrigan
<chris.corrigan at gmail.com>wrote:

> I think my experience in th Art of Hosting and Genuine Contact speaks to
> me if the longing we all have to see that these methods are pointing at a
> way of being, that there is something beyond the methods that, if you learn
> about it, makes things fly.
>
> So I love OST - it is my home place in this world, the method I know the
> best and use whenever I can. And I have come to appreciate that to practice
> OST well one needs a deeper practice. For me the Art of Hosting (which is
> simply a four fold practice of being present, participating, holding space
> and co-creating) has brought me into contact with another global community
> that is learning about broad participatory approaches to life's complexity.
>
> And there is a generational shift too as many people in the Art of Hosting
> community are much younger than me and they are bringing experience from a
> world in which open Space and World Cafe are just the way you do things.
> They have never known life without these methods and so their ears and
> hearts are tuned differently and as a result I am blown away with the
> continued intergenerational learning that that community offers me.
>
> So yes, we all travel in many circles and its nice to be back in the pub
> where we met, where the wine is good and the martinis inspire clarity and
> audacity.
>
> Chris C
>
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> On 2013-08-10, at 8:06 AM, Chris Weaver <chrisgweaver13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Chris C!
> I think our views are very much in accord.  Great to share the table with
> you.  Speaking of "communities of practice" as I referred to in my response
> to Artur, the *Art of Hosting* is a group that I have never made the time
> to explore directly but have always respected and appreciated from a
> distance.  (And speaking of the perceived *value* that can accompany a *
> name*, if a potential collaborator ever told me that he/she was active in
> the Art of Hosting community, I would immediately feel a level of deepened
> trust and assumed shared purpose).  I love how the world of Open Space
> includes these constellations of communities, through whose connections
> learning and evolution are always happening.  To spend some time studying
> the *form *that these various communities of practice take (how, why,
> with what results) would be a valuable endeavor some day for somebody :-)
> w/Love,
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hiya ,Chris!
>>
>> I have no trouble with givens as a practice. I learned that from Birgitt
>> too although these days i talk about it as working in context. For me it is
>> all part of setting the container for the work. In the Art of Hosting
>> workshops many of us do we spend a lot of time on design, reasoning that
>> the methods are simple actually but understanding the pre and post meeting
>> work, working with the context and setting and holding a container for
>> cocreation are essential to good work getting done.
>>
>> I have no problem with people receiving certificates for attending
>> workshops but one simply can't guarantee performance with certification in
>> this field.
>>
>> Pass the wine.
>>
>> C
>>
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>> www.chriscorrigan.com
>>
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>>
>> On 2013-08-09, at 12:48 AM, "eiwor at gatewayc.com" <eiwor at gatewayc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Chris I agree about all you said, especially about the givens. I
>> would even dare to say that the prework and the discussion there is what
>> opens the space. What I do at the beginning of an OST meeting is ritual,
>> also important but still ritual.
>> Thanks for your story.
>> Eiwor
>>
>> Skickat från min HTC
>>
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>> Från: "Chris Weaver" <chrisgweaver13 at gmail.com>
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>> Rubrik: [OSList] Certification?
>> Datum: fre, aug 9, 2013 06:45
>>
>>
>> Greetings All,
>>
>> Ah, I can't resist jumping in to stir the pot.  It is an honor to join a
>> thread peopled by so many folks whom I respect (and appreciate and love) so
>> much.  I invite you to settle in for rather a long story, which may, at
>> some point, have something to do with "certification."
>>
>> After learning of Open Space in Anne Stadler's kitchen, I walked around
>> as a newbie at the OSonOS in Monterrey (the one fifteen years ago, from
>> which Harrison was unexpectedly absent, due to a nasty flu, I believe),
>> with my jaw hanging open to meet so many bold and brilliant facilitators (I
>> remember especially Michael P, Alan Stewart, Brian Bainbridge, Roxy, and
>> Birgitt Bolton) sharing stories that I sweetly strove to wrap my head at
>> least half-way around.
>>
>> For a few years I engaged actively on the OSLIST as I began to facilitate
>> some OST meetings (without even "finishing the book," as I recall) in the
>> Seattle school where I worked as a teacher.  In 1999 I landed here in North
>> Carolina, where I attended my first OST workshop as part of the Genuine
>> Contact Program with Birgitt (Bolton) Williams who had recently landed a
>> few hours away.
>>
>> Now I will say that I have an assumption only that at around that time
>> there was something of a "falling out" between Birgitt and her work and the
>> work of some other OS facilitators.  I do not know, nor need to know, the
>> details.  But I do know that there are some points of practice that have
>> generated some heated passion in the community and that I think are worthy
>> of putting on the storytelling table.  (I know that there is not supposed
>> to be a table, but I suddenly imagine myself with Jeff, Chris, Peggy,
>> Harrison, Michael in a pub somewhere with a rough wooden table, on which I
>> am happily uncorking a bottle of pinot noir.)
>>
>> When I completed the Genuine Contact "Working with OST" workshop, I
>> received a certificate, but not a certification.  (The distinction is
>> important because there was no intention on the workshop leader's part to
>> evaluate my "competence" in any way.)  Based on my participation in the
>> four-day experience, I could, if I chose, refer to myself as an authorized
>> "Genuine Contact professional."  The workshop included an exploration of
>> the form & essence of OST, as gifted so effectively in Harrison's *User's
>> Guide.  *The workshop also shared some suggested approaches and tools
>> for working in depth with the sponsor of an OST meeting (usually a
>> leadership team within an organization), both prior to and after the OST
>> event.  My own understanding is that, by referring to myself as a GC
>> professional if I chose, I would be sharing the simple message that I had
>> had exposure to the approach of using OST that included these pre- and
>> post-OST meeting practices and tools.  The choice of whether and how to
>> apply these practices and tools was up to me.
>>
>> So that is the part that relates to this thread topic of certification.
>>  As a practitioner, I honor the open-source nature of OST as Harrison's
>> "discovery" and gift to the world.  I refer people to the *User's Guide*(and also the
>> *Non-User's Guide *and other community resources) frequently.
>>
>> As an aside, I continued in the years that followed to participate in
>> workshops on other methodologies that are shared through the Genuine
>> Contact Program (most notably *Whole Person Process Facilitation*, which
>> I use very often).  I collaborated with my Genuine Contact colleagues
>> around the world in developing the minimal appropriate structure for our
>> international community.  I participated in many mentoring circles,
>> completed the Train the Trainer workshop, and became one of the 43
>> "co-owners" of the program.  I also shifted my virtual community
>> participation to the GC List, and dropped off of the OSLIST for a number of
>> years.  (I am enjoying being back.)
>>
>> So here, the plot thickens :-).  One of the practices included in the GC
>> "Working with OST" workshop is the use of...the "givens."  So, lubricated
>> with wine, I am going to place the notion of givens on the wooden
>> storytelling table for our enjoyment.  (This is worthy of its own thread,
>> of course, but I'll just keep going here.)
>>
>> I have only infrequently worked as an external consultant/facilitator.
>>  Most of my work with OST has been within schools and community
>> organizations.  Over the years, I have come to value highly the practices I
>> learned in the GCP of working with the sponsor prior to and after an OST
>> (and I know that among other OST facilitators, pre- and post- meetings such
>> as these are skillfully used and valued).
>>
>> In my experience, the purpose of careful preparation with the sponsoring
>> team is to assist them in considering the state of their organization.
>>  What is the story-line that has brought them to considering an OST
>> meeting?  What's happening in terms of the grief cycle within their
>> organization?  What (deeply now) is the *purpose* of the meeting?  What
>> (deeply now) is the *context?  *Basically, I ask the questions, and the
>> team has the conversations.  All this I explicitly place in the reality
>> that when you sponsor an OST, there is not, nor should there be, any
>> turning back.
>>
>> I use the givens as an essential tool in this process.  I draw a circle
>> on a flip chart and say, If this circle represents the open space, what are
>> the non-negotiables that form the parameters of the open space?
>>
>> In the past, there have been passionate objections to this practice on
>> this list, based, I think, on the belief that to establish givens is to
>> close the space before it is even opened.  My long-haul experience within
>> organizations has taught me something different.
>>
>> What happens when I ask what the non-negotiables are is that a bunch of
>> stuff goes up on the flip chart.  Then, I probe each one, and ask, "Is this
>> REALLY a given at this time for this meeting?"  The fifteen givens get
>> whittled down to twelve, and then eight, and then maybe five (ish).  As you
>> can imagine, the level of trust that organizational leaders have in the
>> people plays in heavily.  I let it be.  I cannot make them trust more; I
>> can only model trust, and hold space for trust.
>>
>> But I also find that the few givens that remain are, every time, very
>> important and meaningful.  Some examples:  Perhaps the organizational
>> purpose is a given, and perhaps there is value in re-sharing the
>> organizational purpose at the start of the OST.  Perhaps there has been a
>> year of good work by a sub-group within the organization that has
>> culminated in a policy that not everyone attending the OST is aware of, and
>> that policy is a given.  Perhaps a "law of the land" that administrators,
>> but not all participants, know about is a given.  Perhaps it is a given
>> that the organization will stay within a certain budget, and any ideas
>> generated beyond the budget will have to include the funding source to
>> support them.
>>
>> Yes, the givens are shared with the group at the start of the OST.  In my
>> experience, this does not close the space, but rather it opens the space
>> clearly and honestly.  More importantly, it is a tool for building trust.
>>  When participants hear their formal organizational leaders share, clearly
>> and transparently, what the givens are, they are more trusting that their
>> own ideas will be honored after the meeting and not squelched.
>>
>> And this is what happens.  Using givens is a way to profoundly mitigate
>> the phenomenon, with which any seasoned OST facilitator is familiar, of
>> leadership freaking out and clamping down on the results of an OST.  The
>> practice does not (thankfully) prevent the productive chaos and re-framing
>> that happens after the meeting, but it greatly reduces the phenomenon of
>> *reactionary fear* on the part of formal leadership.  The result is that
>> leadership is more inclined to sponsor another OST soon, and indeed to
>> invite other groups withing the organization to utilize OST themselves.
>>
>> Perhaps because I have worked inside organizations for many years, I have
>> a deep respect for the challenges that formal leaders face.  Perhaps an
>> organization is possible without any formal leaders, but I have not yet
>> encountered this.  In the school where I work, there is a fragile and
>> indeed even tender respect for our formal leaders whose responsibility it
>> is to hold the space for the organization in the community.  When
>> leadership is in its integrity, followership is a natural and beautiful
>> thing.
>>
>> Okay, I will pour the last of the bottle into all the glasses.  Sadly, I
>> won't hear your fine words until tomorrow, but so it is, according to the
>> odd and illusory parameters of space & time.
>>
>> Take Care, with Love,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Donna Read <
>> donna.read at managing4wellness.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Amen to that, Harrison!  Blessings, Donna
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 17:36, "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jeff – as a sometime perpetrator and totally confused (certifiable) I
>>> can attest that if at any point I were to intimate that I actually knew
>>> what I was doing, that would be a significant error. However I feel quite
>>> comfortable in my not-knowing if only because the “process” (OST) is not
>>> something I “do.” Under the best of circumstances my contribution is to
>>> invite folks to do what they already know how to do – to be what they
>>> already are. It always works, and it works even better when I get out of
>>> the way. ****
>>>
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>>> *On Behalf Of *Jeff Aitken
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Certification?****
>>>
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>>>
>>> having been trained by the motley lot who dreamed up this stuff, i can
>>> attest that even that great privilege does not mean that i know much or
>>> should be let near the folks in your organization.****
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> jeff.****
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Peggy Holman <peggy at peggyholman.com>
>>> wrote:****
>>>
>>> To be certified confused…where do I sign up? ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Chris -- thanks for your decidedly clear and unconfused comments on
>>> certification.  ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I seem to recall in some past conversation that rather than
>>> certification, lineage is alternative to the client conundrum of who am I
>>> hiring?  To be trained by the creator, or by someone who trained with
>>> creator, on down the line seems to have worked for a variety of practice
>>> traditions through the ages.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Still no guarantee, as Chris noted below.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> appreciatively,****
>>>
>>> Peggy ****
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Chris Corrigan <chris at chriscorrigan.com>
>>> wrote:****
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Ohh I love this topic too, because as we go on and on it becomes clearer
>>> and clearer to me that Harrison's original idea (which predated Open
>>> Source) was sheer genius.  There is an expression in english: "Closing the
>>> barn doors after the horse has left."  It's too late to certify people in
>>> Open Space Technology, and thank God! ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> You simply cannot certify people as a way to protect the brand and the
>>> reason is simple.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Certification is based on an industrial quality assurance model  In
>>> other words, every product leaving the factory is guaranteed to work the
>>> way we say it is going to work.  If it doesn't you can have your money back
>>> and we'll give you a new one that works.  Every product can be tested
>>> before it leaves the factory to be sure it works reliably,****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> You simply cannot do that with facilitators.  No amount of certification
>>> will guarantee that a client will get what they want every single time.
>>>  And a facilitator taking a single training in Open Space or some other
>>> method will by definition NOT be perfect leaving the factory.  You need to
>>> develop a practice, and even still there are contexts and situations that
>>> will challenge and surprise you.  "Be Prepared to Be Surprised" is the only
>>> certification I can reliably give to anyone that has trained with me.  We
>>> are not engineers, architects or doctors.  We are people whose skill is in
>>> responding well to myriad and changing contexts.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> The International Association of Facilitators went down this route.  I
>>> have seen some horrible facilitation done by people who are certified by
>>> the IAF.  So much so that I have no faith in that certification as standing
>>> for anything.  It is a worthy idea but it simply cannot be implemented.*
>>> ***
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Open Space is a brand like brainstorming is a brand, like using markers
>>> and flipcharts is a brand, like parliamentary procedure is a brand.  In a
>>> few more decades, with any luck, the world will have forgotten where it all
>>> came from and it will just become a basic operating system of groups.  In
>>> the last 10 years that prospect has really come on as people have stolen,
>>> mashed up, mixed together, modified and redesigned Open Space Technology.
>>>  Participatory process is becoming an acceptable way of doing things, and
>>> will only become more so.  Most conference goers for example are now able
>>> to report on conference evaluations that they would have rather had a world
>>> cafe or an Open Space than a keynote address.  I see it all the time.
>>>  There is a fluency in the world with this method and others.****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I fundamentally distrust anyone who makes a concerted effort to certify
>>> Open Space.  If Harrison Owen, the guy that put it all down on paper,
>>> refuses to do it for excellent reasons, then I wonder what gives anyone
>>> else the right to do it.  ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> And for me that is a terrific example of how to steward something that
>>> really has an impact in the world.  Offer it up and let it go and only
>>> defend it from those that would try to own it.  Thankfully Open Space
>>> Technology I think is at a place in the world where it defies ownership.
>>>  Anyone who tries it will simply be laughed off the stage.  ****
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Chris****
>>>
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>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Kári Gunnarsson <
>>> kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is> wrote:****
>>>
>>> I love the Certification dialogue and I think that the recurrence of
>>> the dialogue is necessary. As I have looked around of things that
>>> trace there roots to open space or give the impression to be similar
>>> is some way. Some of these processes have the Certification hierarchy
>>> protecting the Quality of the Brand and the revenues steaming from the
>>> property that the brand name is.
>>>
>>> The hierarchy of the Certification process associated with Brand names
>>> is a way to close space and create tension witch in turn will fuel the
>>> flow of cash from the people that can pay, excluding the people that
>>> can not. It is an exercise in creating a closed system to fuel a
>>> business plan. And naturally, any start up consultancy offering some
>>> tools will need some flow of cash to pay the phone bill.
>>>
>>> When I was at Wosonon in Berlin back in 2010, I head one participant
>>> saying. "You always have the clients that you deserve".
>>>
>>> By knowing that the space for clients is well open and the law of
>>> mobility is active from them is perhaps a little scary. This scare can
>>> be remedied by letting go of the outcome and commit time to prepare to
>>> be of more benefit for my future clients.
>>>
>>> Here I have opened up many lines of thoughts that stay with me when I
>>> think about this topic. What I would like to have written down is some
>>> sort of vision on how to go about using the open space as a central
>>> idea and core philosophy in a practise.
>>>
>>> On Certification, my vote would go for "no central Certification", but
>>> I don't mind that various offspring's of Open Space go ahead and
>>> create there own brand name with the associated cash flow headaches
>>> and salaried sales staff of Certification trainings in there bid to
>>> get a bought with a handsome cash out from lager companies.
>>>
>>> That said, I would like to see more people get interested in the
>>> "boring" methought of meeting, working and begin together called open
>>> space.
>>>
>>> By the way, I am bored to tears by people hearing about open space and
>>> begin pissed off by the way open office layout (also called open space
>>> in my country) has been ruining there work experiences.
>>>
>>> This is starting to be a long rant, Ill stop now.
>>>
>>> With the breeze from Iceland
>>> Kári****
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 August 2013 14:50, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> > Certification (whatever that might mean) seems to be a perennial
>>> topic. I
>>> > suppose that is understandable, but for myself it is a horrible idea.
>>> My
>>> > reasons are several. First of all it is too much work. The thought of
>>> > developing the criteria, programs, and even worse, “protecting the
>>> brand” is
>>> > totally exhausting. We’d have to have certifiers to certify the
>>> certifiers
>>> > and so on ad infinitum. Second reason – Open Space seems to be taking
>>> care
>>> > of itself. When folks come on with “A little Open Space,” “Sort of Open
>>> > Space,” “Modified Open Space,” ... the participants (increasingly)
>>> > understand that they aren’t getting the genuine article—and say so. I
>>> recall
>>> > one instance where a large gentleman stood up in the middle of the
>>> “program”
>>> > and loudly proclaimed, “This sure ain’t Open Space! I’m out of here.”
>>> And he
>>> > walked. I guess you could call that “Market Certification.” Best of
>>> all  ---
>>> > it works all by itself. One more thing not to do!!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Harrison
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Harrison Owen
>>> >
>>> > 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>> >
>>> > Potomac, MD 20854
>>> >
>>> > USA
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)
>>> >
>>> > Camden, Maine 04843
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Phone 301-365-2093
>>> >
>>> > (summer)  207-763-3261
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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