[OSList] Peggy plus OST Linkedin Comment

Sun Oct 21 03:45:56 PDT 2012

My first impression is that Paul is unnecessarily harsh and inconsiderate in his writings. When even the title of the piece speaks of "imprisonment" it seems to completely ignore the love and the great intentions that went into Wosonos this year. As Chris wrote, this does not help. 

Having said that, I must say that I felt torn between two ways of looking at the way Wosonos was run. I loved the fun and creative way we were received and the warmth that enveloped us right from the start. That did make it easier to connect to new people and feel at ease. At the same time, something was nagging at me, wondering if this was not overdoing it a bit and what it would be like if we had been left to our own devices a bit more. Would our own creativity get more room, would it have been even more about the participants?

Like Michael, I also am from the days of OT and the early OSonOS gatherings. Someone at Wosonos2012 told me I was "an old hand." I really liked the very basic way those meetings were run. So I think I would have done Wosonos much simpler if I had organized it. But was that a problem? I don't think so. Wosonos2012 was a great learning experience, even for an "old hand" like me. 

So the gratitude and admiration I feel toward Phelim and his team is great. And I would have done it in a different way. Which is OK of course. The nice thing about Open Space is that it teaches us that different viewpoints and different realities can coexist. That this makes life richer. This idea of abundance may help the discussion along a lot better. 

Koos

Op 21 okt. 2012 om 05:42 heeft Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com> het volgende geschreven:

> i skimmed paul's pieces.  i agreed with much of the substance and was glad somebody was saying it.  chris read and commented much more carefully, so i wouldn't try to add to his notes about that.  i'm only jumping in now because of the questions phelim raises.
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> first, about bringing clients to osonos... i think osonos used to be a place for clients, if you didn't mind learning in front of your client and introducing him/her to a bunch of competitors. <grin> that said, i wonder why you say it's not for clients.  i participated in osonos4, 5, 7, 9, 10, plus a couple regional osonos... and those were all pretty standard events, the simplest version that could possibly work.  though i think in that time we started to put more and more effort into hosting them.  
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> as for what osonos is or is for, i guess it's always been a celebration of sorts, but i remember the events i was part of as working places, meeting people who do it and learning like crazy from them.  it was pure open space and the theme was open space.  it was OT, the organization transformation symposium, that had lots of sessions about various transformation methods and things like going canoeing or walking in the woods, more just playing IN open space rather than working ON how we are doing it. if anyone's interested, many years of osonos proceedings are archived at openspaceworld.org/osonos.  
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> i think the big change that happened in my experience with osonos is that my first one was the last one harrison hosted at dulles airport hilton in virginia.  one room, hotel restaurant, breakouts sprinkled around in public spaces, clean and simple.  then, as it started to move around, it got farther and farther away from home for many of the folks who'd been there at the beginning.  i think as the travel got greater, hosts probably figured the hosts had to do more and more so that people would make the trip.  maybe they were glad to do more out of appreciation.  so the hosting became a bigger and bigger task, each year building upon what the hosts had seen in previous one or two events.  sometimes osonos has also been hosted with an additional goal of trying to help grow a community of practitioners.
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> when sheila isakson and i hosted osonos7, we really did nothing more than get a single meeting room, in a downtown chicago economy hotel.  we got a block of rooms reserved without a deposit, same at a cheaper hostel type place nearby.  we ordered no food, but located our meeting in a place where food -- and participant choice -- was plentiful.  i made a single webpage, not a whole site, but just a page for the invite, and emailed it around a bit.  we had people come from 12 countries.
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> i always wish we could return to those really simple events, where the open space and the people were the attraction -- and the celebration -- where you could bring a client and know that they were going to see textbook open space, clean and simple.  an annual showcase of best practice.  
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> the other thing i have wanted to see, and tried ten years ago to organize, was an osonos that happens in multiple (handful of) locations simultaneously, so more people could get there.  and now we have skype so there could be open video connections between sites.  old timers would be outnumbered by newbies.  maybe 2013 will succeed in this virtual sort of direction.
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> the last thing i'd toss out about osonos is that i think the work that's most amazing to me is that of john engle, who came to chicago and maybe earlier osonos gatherings, but then showed up in vancouver with some haitian colleagues.  a bit later they started annual haitian osonos events that are still running.  i have always wished we as a community might honor that work and all of us focus on getting to the haitian gathering one year, and call it wosonos.  someday i want to get there for myself.
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> in the meantime, i hope we'll hear from others about what osonos is and has been and might/should become.  
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> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Phelim McDermott <phelim at mac.com> wrote:
> Chris
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> I agree with you. I'm fine with the critique. Different strokes for different folks. 
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> I think the difficulty is what you pinpoint. It's hard to reply and have a constructive conversation when it's not directly addressed to myself and the hosting team and seems like a veiled passive aggressive attack especially considering how it is being disseminated with provocative headlines of the "can you handle criticism" kind. 
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> I wonder what the intention behind the communication is? 
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> I also think this raises the issue of what WOSonOS is....
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> Is it a celebration and a meeting of a community who share? Not just an open space event but the creation of a welcoming gathering space in which people work on being a community and honour the history of the event. Or on the other end of the scale is it where we come and check out how other people "do or facilitate open space" and critique and score it? 
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> I know that WOSonOS is not an open space event for a client And Personally I'm in for celebrating diversity of style in event and facilitation. It was one of the reasons we were encouraged to invite by the international OS community we are a theatre company and our event had small touch of that style...  if only a touch. 
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> And Paul if you're on the list I would love to engage in a conversation about this. 
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> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:23, Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> The critique in the article is fine. And the subsequent link Phelim sent along is fine too. Paul's tone is a bit jarring and his argument isn't helped by making a lot of generalized statements. Also he critiques WOSonOS in a way that makes it hard to separate his critique if the event from a critique of the team, even though he later clarifies that he wasn't critiquing the facilitator. It's tricky to make a forceful and powerful critique without it seeming personal.  
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>> My response to these posts is that Paul is right in substance. In general my take in things is that the Law of Two Feet applies. If you are not learning or contributing find some way or some where that you can. That's what makes things better. Obviously expecting others to change the way the way a process seems too dependant on them is rational madness. 
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>> On 2012-10-20, at 5:09 AM, "alan at alanhalford.com.au" <alan at alanhalford.com.au> wrote:
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>>> Just spent a delicious  three days co-learning with Peggy Holman here in Perth then I read this - 
>>> So, what's possible now?
>>> http://rationalmadness.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/the-tragic-re-imprisonment-of-open-space/
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