[OSList] Any experience with short OST

[Catherine Corbaz]

Hi everybody.
The discussion is really interesting. Now I'll follow my intuition and  
I'll do it and see what happen.

Besides there seems to be some confusion with me and Catherine  
Pfaehler. I'm Catherine Corbaz and I also live in Switzerland in  
Bienne, where Catherine P. used to live afew years ago. However my  
mother tongue is french and hers german. For the anecdocte: we are are  
born on the same day, but not the same year. By the way I met her a  
4-5 years ago thanks to the OS-List. Another nice story of the list.

Catherine C.
Le 11 juin 12 à 16:52, Jeff Aitken a écrit :

I was asked to introduce OST to the student leadership group of a
local community college. I was given an hour at lunch!

At first I didn't want to offer any experience of the process in such
a short time. But when the morning arrived I chose to go for it. The
introduction that I typically use already includes a story about the
development of the process (the coffee breaks story, not the martinis
story) and I simply extended the story a little bit as a way of making
an introduction to what we would do.

It was easy to come up with a theme - issues and opportunities around
student leadership at X college - and we held two 15 minute breakout
sessions for the gathered group of about 15 people.

The closing circle went around once, and then was then extended for
some reflections on the process and its implications as a laboratory
for acts of leadership - a big topic for me these days - and the
possibilities of a longer meeting should they choose to give it more
time.

The sponsors made a nice DVD of it (not including the breakouts nor
the participants' part of the closing circle) which I'm trying to
figure out how to upload. Anybody have any ideas?

I'm continually appreciative of the flexibility of OST and found that
this group had some interesting and productive conversations and
insights even in this short time. Of course I don't recommend anything
less than 2.5 or 3 hours for a meeting that gets some juices flowing.

warmly
Jeff
San Francisco


On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>  
wrote:
> Joaquim – Marvelous question: “Is it better to open a little space,  
> or to
> open no space at all? :-)” And I think the answer is pretty obvious  
> but for
> reasons having little to do with Open Space Technology as a process.  
> Life
> (at least my life) requires the opening of time/space. When all of  
> that
> closes, so does life. Some people feel that they are protecting life  
> when
> they put it in a box. I find just the reverse. The greatest gift I  
> have to
> offer is respectful time/space. Of course I don’t own it, so  
> speaking of it
> as a “gift” to others is a stretch, but I think we all recognize the  
> wonder
> and power of being the presence of one who is graciously spacious.  
> You know
> the sort I am talking about – somehow they call forth the very best  
> in us,
> but not in the manner of a prescription (we must, should, ought). We  
> are
> invited to be everything we can be, and we find in the warm presence  
> of that
> person the essential time/space for that “everything” to manifest. I  
> suspect
> this may be the ultimate expression of Love: the challenge to reach  
> our
> fullness, and the acceptance of whatever that form our fullness may  
> take.
> Not just challenge, not just acceptance – but both together,  
> simultaneously,
> paradoxically, dialectically. That creates radical space/time, I  
> think – the
> essential conditions for life.
>
>
>
> We do this all the time. Sometimes better, sometimes worse. And some  
> people
> seem to be able to do it more often and easily. A few manage to do  
> it all
> the time. The clock doesn’t seem to have much to do with the  
> situation, for
> Gracious Spaciousness apparently operates outside of time. It might  
> even
> create human time/space?
>
>
>
> So opening space/time first last and always – whenever, however,  
> wherever,
> with whomever…
>
>
>
> YES!
>
>
>
> And then we come to that curious thing we call Open Space  
> Technology, which
> as far as I am concerned is nothing but a special application of  
> “Gracious
> Spaciousness.” Over the years we seem to have developed a pretty  
> clear sense
> about useful time periods. Nothing cast in concrete, but less than 4  
> hours
> feels pretty cramped and more than 2 ½ days is too much of a good  
> thing. But
> the Goldilocks (just right) time always depends… on the group, the  
> issues,
> the environment, etc. And finding that Goldilocks moment is in part a
> function of our (as facilitators) Gracious Spaciousness, I think. We  
> need to
> challenge the group to be everything they could be, which is almost
> inevitably several steps beyond their comfort zone. Sometimes we  
> even have
> to ask some pointed questions such as – “Do they really have such a  
> low
> opinion of themselves that the future of their organization (life  
> and work)
> is only worth a few hours?” They alone can decide, and we of course,  
> will
> have to accept their decision – even if we also have to say that  
> given their
> decision, we really don’t think Open Space is the way to go.
>
>
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
>
>
> Harrison Owen
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> [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Joaquim
> Baptista
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:57 AM
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> Cc: c.pfaehler at bluewin.ch
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>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Any experience with short OST
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
>
>
> All I've done were 5 short OST meetings plus a longer but biased OST  
> track
> at a conference.
>
>
>
> I understand that these short meetings were not ideal, they did not  
> lead to
> strong conclusions. On the other hand, it would have been impossible  
> to ask
> parents that were strange to each other to commit more time to meet.
>
>
>
> These meetings lasted between 2h and 4h. They were still quite  
> effective in
> opening space between people, having them find out that there are  
> others
> like them, and identifying shared concerns that deserve further  
> attention.
>
>
>
> While people usually complain that there was not enough time to talk,
> everyone loves it. And I strongly believe that, if I invited them to  
> talk
> for 1.5 days, they would just refuse.
>
>
>
> When the meeting ends, its their responsibility to continue talking
> elsewhere, if they wish to do so. Sometimes, they do.
>
>
>
> Is it better to open a little space, or to open no space at all? :-)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Koos de Heer <koos at auryn.nl> wrote:
>
> Hi Catherine,
>
> My experiences with really short OST meetings are mixed. My  
> experiences with
> OST meetings for demonstration purposes are not so good. Only  
> spectators, no
> play. So I only do an Open Space meeting if there is a real issue to  
> be
> discussed by passionate people.
>
> A short Open Space meeting is at least 3 hours when I do it. I do  
> not agree
> to anything shorter. My favorite is a day and a half. There seems to  
> be a
> tendency that organizations do want the benefits of Open Space but  
> have
> increasing trouble investing the time to make it possible. Sometimes  
> I think
> that the biggest change we can offer is not the format of the Open  
> Space
> meeting, but the idea to spend time on things, to stop measuring every
> minute against the KPIs of a balanced score card.
>
> Having said that, a three hour meeting is much better than nothing  
> at all.
> Key is to manage the expectations of the client. The benefits of a  
> three
> hour meeting are certainly worthwile, but not way as good as those  
> of a day
> and a half. If they are happy with the three hours, you can tell  
> them they
> have seen nothing yet and there is much more where this came from.
>
> Cheers
>
> Koos
>
>
>
>
> At 00:19 11-6-2012, donna.read at managing4wellness.org wrote:
>
> Hi, I did a 4-hour open space last year. It went really well.   
> People seemed
> to enjoy it and a lot came out of it but not as much as I would  have
> liked.  But everyone went away happy to have had the experience.   
> Best,
> Donna
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] Any experience with short OST
>
> From: Graydancer <graydancer at gmail.com>
>
> Date: Sun, June 10, 2012 3:48 pm
>
> To: c.pfaehler at bluewin.ch, World wide Open Space Technology email list
>
> < oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>
> My Open Spaces are usually a day (though we have meet & greets &  
> sunday
> brunches to provide some wiggle room). They seem to work well. I was
> recently asked to do a 6-hour open space for about 350 people in  
> Chicago. It
> went well - very well - but we had a LOT of time beforehand to prep  
> the
> people through online forums, etc, as well as a lot of participants  
> who had
> been to other open spaces.
>
> That being said, with one or two exceptions, everyone there loved  
> it. My
> only frustration was with people who said "No, I didn't go, it just  
> sounded
> too disorganized." For some reason, the idea of something being
> self-organizing is just anathema.
>
> I think shorter OS's can work...but I would never want to do one  
> shorter
> than the 6 hours. Even that felt way too short. Good, but like a  
> book that
> you really wish didn't end...
>
> Gray
>
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Catherine Pfaehler <c.pfaehler at bluewin.ch 
> >
> wrote:
>
> I can only add that the only time I did such a short OST in order to
> demonstrate the methode did NOT lead to a client relationship. Iâ 
> €™ve come
> to notice that even a 5.5 hr OS-event is too short. We deprive  
> people of the
> experience of what it is like to have ENOUGH time for their thoughts  
> and
> ideas and actions and projects to actually emerge if we agree to  
> such short
> periods of time.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you for asking, Catherine C., and thank you for your answer,  
> Harrison!
>
>
>
> Love, Catherine P.
>
>
>
> Catherine Pfaehler
>
> Burckhardtstrasse 2
>
> CH - 3008 Bern
>
> +41-(0)31-536 05 31
>
>
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> Von: Catherine Corbaz [ mailto:cat.corbaz at gmail.com]
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> Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Juni 2012 19:20
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> An: World wide Open Space Technology email list
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> Betreff: Re: [OSList] Any experience with short OST
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>
>
> Dear Harrison
>
> of course I'll trust you. You put the right words on my inner  
> feelings and
> gave me strong arguments to tell the sponsor, if needed. Your point  
> to do do
> it after and let emerge an opened discussion, is a perfect idea.
>
>
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
>
>
> Catherine
>
>
>
> Le 10 juin 12 à 18:07, Harrison Owen a écrit :
>
> Catherine – I know you have maade your plans. And Plans can change.  
> Here are
> some thoughts that might move the changes along… First – The best
> Presentation on Open Sn Space is “Do it!†Nothing else comes even  
> close.
> Second – Doing a Presentation about Open Space before an Open Space
> creates all sorts of difficulties, none of which you want. No matter  
> what
> you say, no matter how good you are – whatever you say will just  
> confuse
> people. If they have never experienced Open Space, they simply won’t
> believe you. And if they have had the experience, they don’t need  
> the
> explanation. Even worse, a Presentation up front will inevitably put  
> the
> people in a “head†mode, thinking about the process. They will be
> wondering about other processes, potential modifications, what â 
> €œthey†say
> in the literature. All good thoughts, but definitely not needed at  
> the onset
> of an Open Space. Just get on with the business, do what comes  
> naturally,
> and forget about the process. After all it works all by itself. No  
> help
> needed. And don’t try doing “just a little bit of Open Space† 
> It is
> always frustrating, because just about the time you get rolling, it  
> is time
> to stop. If these people really want to Celebrate – Go for iit and  
> make sure
> they have plenty of time/space for the occasion!
>
>
>
> And then if they really want a Presentation, do it at the end. I  
> assume you
> will have a closing circle and after the people have shared their  
> comments,
> ask them by way of summary “What did you notice particularly about  
> our
> time together that was strange, new, surprising, different? I think  
> you will
> find that the People as a whole will create a marvelous  
> presentation, and of
> course you can comment if you care to.
>
>
>
> Trust me. You won’t be disappointed.
>
>
>
>
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
> Harrison Owen
>
> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>
> Potomac, MD 20854
>
> USA
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
> Phone 301-365-2093
>
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>
>
>
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> From: oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org [
> mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of  
> Catherine Corbaz
>
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:31 AM
>
> To: World email list wide Open Space Technology
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> Subject: [OSList] Any experience with short OST
>
>
>
> Dear OS-friends,
>
> I’ve been invited to moderate an OST for the 10th birthday of a  
> studying
> program of a high Engineering and business school. It is called  
> Human System
> engineering.
>
> The purpose is to celebrate the anniversary and to make an OST in  
> order to
> collect ideas, projects of the students to allow this program to live
> further. The purpose is also to present OST as a method to work with
> collective intelligence , etc. Inviter people will be students and old
> students, the professorship will also be invited.
>
>
>
> At the beginning we spoke of a one day OST. After a first meeting  
> with the
> preparation group, they proposed me to do something shorter, with a
> presentation about OST. I agreed with their suggestion. But i'll  
> make my
> presentation as short as possible, with the message: the best  
> presentation
> is to experiment it.  So I might have 1/2 more, who knows?
>
>
>
> But i've never do such a short OST. So presently the agenda (in may  
> head)
> look like:
>
>
>
> - a short introduction (sponsor + OST introduction : 15’),
>
> - Market place&agenda (15’).
>
> - Two break-out sessions of 35 min.
>
> - closing circle (20')
>
>
>
> We expect 30-50 people.
>
>
>
> Anyone with a similar experience. I remender reading something about  
> a 1.5
> hours OST?
>
> Any comment, remark, welcome.
>
>
>
> NB: this OST is a short of follow-up of the french publication of  
> Christine
> Kohler.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Catherine Corbaz
>
> Roseaux 20
>
> CH-2503 Bienne
>
> +41 32 323 38 43
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