[OSList] Articles on dialogue in different cultures
Ria Baeck
ria.baeck at vitis-tct.be
Thu Jan 19 02:35:54 PST 2012
The best resources I know on container and circle practice are the books
- and trainings - by Christina Baldwin and Ann Linnea, from PeerSpirit.
They are masters in it.
With love,
Ria
On 19/01/12 03:18, Birgitt Williams wrote:
>
> Hi Bui,
>
> I am traveling and don't have access to my books. I think the book is
> Council of the Grandmothers. My apologies for no clear reference on
> this one 'context/container'.
>
> Birgitt
>
> *From:*oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
> [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of *Bui
> Petersen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:54 PM
> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Articles on dialogue in different cultures
>
> Beautiful Birgitt,
>
> Do you happen to know of any written sources describing this practice?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bui
>
> On 18/01/2012 2:56 PM, Birgitt Williams wrote:
>
> Hi Bui,
>
> I love that quote. My experience is that this kind of circle work
> without the apparent leader, no decisions, and everyone participating
> is always conducted within a context or container. The context or
> container, I think, has had insufficient attention. For example, in
> many North American tribes, the group who sat together were men.
> Behind each of the men in the circle was a grandmother, not
> necessarily present physically in the outside of the circle, but
> definitely there. And if the man, maybe a circle of chiefs, did not
> perform well in the circle, then after the circle was done, he had to
> answer to the grandmother, who could even remove him from his role.
>
> I have devoted a lot of my attention to the context and the container
> within which the participatory circle takes place..and am fascinated
> by this dimension of the success of the participatory circle work.
>
> Best,
>
> Birgitt Williams
>
> www.dalarinternational.com <http://www.dalarinternational.com>
>
> www.genuinecontact.net <http://www.genuinecontact.net>
>
> *From:*oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
> <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>
> [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of *Bui
> Petersen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:37 PM
> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Articles on dialogue in different cultures
>
> Thanks Birgitt,
>
> I'm mostly interesting in what is universal (i.e. option 2.) As
> someone who has moved around a fair amount myself, I can certainly
> identify with your experience.
>
> I am particularly inspired by the following quote attributed to David
> Bohm (supposedly from "On Dialogue" but it is not it my copy of the book):
>
>
> /From time to time, (the) tribe (gathered) in a circle. They just
> talked and talked and talked, apparently to no purpose. They made no
> decisions. There was no leader. And everybody could participate.
> There may have been wise men or wise women that were listened to a bit
> more -- the older ones -- but everybody could talk. The meeting went
> on, until it finally seemed to stop for no reason at all and the group
> dispersed. Yet after that, everybody seemed to know what to do,
> because they understood each other so well. They could get together
> in smaller groups and do something or decide things./
>
>
> Bui
>
>
> On 18/01/2012 12:33 PM, Birgitt Williams wrote:
>
> One consideration...it is important to distinguish whether you wish to focus
> on
> 1.what is different among different cultures
> OR
> 2.what is universal and the same among the entire human race
>
> I personally spent years attempting to understand what was different and
> spent three years of training as a cultural interpreter. I finally figured
> out that unless I was deeply 'in' a culture, I could not really understand.
> I find this even in my own life. I was born in Germany, yet because I moved
> to Canada when I was two, I don't totally understand the German culture or
> forms of dialogue. Because I was an immigrant into Canada, I also never came
> to fully understand the Canadian culture of ways of dialogue. And then I
> moved to the southeastern USA some years ago and still am finding my way
> after 12 years to understand this culture and the nuances of dialogue. I
> have spent some considerable time in India and in Africa...and the same
> findings.
>
> So, after all of my investigations to the cultural differences, when I was
> putting together our workshop modules, I focused on what is universal, what
> is the same. We are all members of the human race and what is the same is in
> us all.
>
> Blessings,
> Birgitt Williams
> www.dalarinternational.com <http://www.dalarinternational.com>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Bui Petersen
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>
> I intend to have them do that but it is part of an academic course. So
> it is required to be at least a little bit academic. Thanks for the
> suggestion though. :)
>
> Bui
>
> On 17/01/2012 10:40 PM, doug wrote:
>
> Bui--
>
>
>
> Permit me to borrow the hat from the man and ask: Why have them read
>
> about it and listen to someone talking about it? Instead you could have
>
> them do dialogue and then report out what it was like and what they
>
> learned....
>
>
>
> Or not....
>
>
>
> <Handing hat back to the man>
>
>
>
> :- Doug.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 16:23 -0330, Bui Petersen wrote:
>
> Hi fellow OSers,
>
>
>
> I have been ask to present a talk about on dialogue as part of
>
> university course on Cross-cultural communication. I am thinking that it
>
> may be interesting to talk about dialogue and how some of the approaches
>
> we use are influenced by traditions from different cultures (e.g.
>
> circles, OS marketplace, etc.). The intent to assign reading for the
>
> students prior to the class, but it is proving to be a bit more
>
> difficult than expected to find articles on this topic. There are lots
>
> of sources on how people from the "west" have gone to other countries to
>
> do dialogue, but I have found very little describing traditional
>
> dialogue, neither theory or practice. (one likely problem is that what I
>
> am referring to as "dialogue" may well be called something else in the
>
> literature).
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions? Theoretical sources are OK too.
>
>
>
> Always grateful for the generous help from this list. Thanks!
>
>
>
> Bui Petersen
>
>
>
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