[OSList] Individual and collective master (was: OST - Open Systems Thinking)

[Stanley Park]

Dear friends,

When we open our space as our natural state of being, a sacred universe
seems to unfold in each of us as a universe of undivisive whole.

And it is there (Here & Now) where Nirvana-Enternal Peace-Natural State of
Being Love Itself.

That's what happens to me at least.

love from seoul

spark
2011. 12. 14. 오후 2:16에 "Bernhard Weber" <weberb at gmx.at>님이 작성:

> Harrison and all
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> I like the recently upcoming discussion about the history of Systems
> Thinking, but I would also like to make a big jump from this.
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> I am not shure, but to me it seems to not be by pure "accident".
> 1. Recently Stanley park wrote "Now is the territory of Peace- Nirvana"
> 2. And some days later you Harrison wrote "Open the space of your life
> and the lives of those around you, and you will discover your own natural
> state".
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> "Your own natural state", that is exactly how Buddhist masters (like e.g.
> Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche, the contemporary Tibetan Dzogchen-teacher)
> refer to what is often called enlightenment, liberation, Rigpa, ...
>
> Although it is not really possible to "feel" something behind the words of
> a written posting, I always felt some kind of reluctance by side of you,
> when somebody in the group related the effects of OST or the OS spirit to
> central Buddhist concepts. Would you prefer to not discuss it (treat it as
> a tabu) or am I completely wrong here? (And my feeling demasked as
> pseudo-feeling;-)
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> I am here in Sri Lanka at the beginning of the 7th year of residence, the
> place/space where Gautamas words have been put into Pali language and
> written down some hundreds of years after his passing away/paranirvana. So
> all this is resonating in me as a kind of effect of the Spirit of the
> space/genius loci.
>
> Anyhow I would like to invite you and all to explore, if the following
> idea makes sense:
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> What the two citations above seem to hint at in my eyes , is a quite
> specific function/effect of Open Space: being a trigger for processes
> during which not only things get done, as it has been pointed out again and
> again, but a trigger for processes that may also lead to enlightenment. If
> there is some value in that idea, then OS might be a collective
> equivalent of a master
>
> A master also can only be a trigger, because as already the historical
> Gautama (called the Buddha) stated, that he can, on basis of his own
> experience only show the way, point to the right direction, but the
> practitioner has to do the work. There is no way that the master can do it
> (the full liberation, the reaching of the natural state) for the student.
>
> So I am wondering if the efficiency and effectiveness of OST in getting
> things done, is not intrinsicly knitted together with (alias dialectically
> connected to) this "collective master function". Two sides of one medal?
>
> Of course I am not interested to tie OS to Buddhism as a belief system.
> But of course my understanding of the ways to enlightenment is also not
> tied to a specific belief system. I have luckily been exposed to "passion,
> responsability and love " in- and outside of OST in various cultures like
> my own Christian culture in Austria, Candomblé in Brazil, animistic cults
> (as the christians call them) in Africa, Buddhism of the Theravada,
> Mahayana, and Tibetan tradition (Buddhism fused with Bön), Yoga in India...
>  And it always works and in all kinds of places.
>
> So once again: might it be legitimate, make sense and be useful to look at
> OST as a kind of set up for a collective master without a present
> individual guru?
> Or not?
>
> Bernd/Colombo
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> Bernd Weber
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> Am 13.12.2011 um 22:11 schrieb Harrison Owen:
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> discover your own natural state
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