[OSList] [SPAM] SA1 Re: Openspace and Toastmasters - A Taster
Michael M Pannwitz
mmpanne at boscop.org
Sun Jan 1 05:18:36 PST 2012
Dear Annamrie,
happy New Year!
No, Os is not about communication nor about finding common ground nor
about envisioning a new direction for a difficult whatsoever.
It is simply about expanding time and space for the forces of
selforganisation to do their stuff.
The things you and I and others SEE or EXPERIENCE in OS are those and
many others (participation, communal leadership, laughter, high
learning....)that are SEEN and EXPERIENCED with all kinds of other
approaches, too.
They are all byproducts of OS (gatherings run in the OST mode) but not
unique to OS.
I keep mentioning this as a reminder to myself on what I need to focus
on in OS events that I facilitate... my experience being that many of
the wonderful things that folks experience as participants and I see as
facilitator unfold very well if I have my attention on holding (whatever
that means) time and space for selforganisation.
So, I am not focusing on communication, or finding common ground
etc....and the more I manage to not focuse on what I call "byproducts"
the more of them (also some not so nice or easy stuff) show up.
Thats what I feel is unique about my work in OS... and its great to see
how clearly you spell out the unique contribution of TM.
Greetings from Berlin
mmp
PS: In case you or any others of you reading this are in Berlin
tomorrow, join us for our regular Stammtisch beginning at 7pm at our
regular hangout to continue this discussion live in an everybody
facilitates, everybody manages, everybody leads...setting, os pure.
> http://www.kreuzberger-weltlaterne.de/
On 01.01.2012 13:36, Annamarie Pluhar wrote:
> HI Tim,
>
> I'm a TMer who helped found a club five years ago and I absolutely LOVE
> OS. I'm sorry. I think you are mixing modalities that don't belong
> mixed. For a way over the top analogy it's a bit like asking a synagogue
> to host a Eucharist.
>
> Toastmasters and OS have completely different goals. Yes, Toastmasters
> structure is rigid. The structure works.. It creates opportunity for
> practice and evaluation in predicable and expected ways. For the shy,
> un-selfconfident, and low self-esteem folks who find their way to
> Toastmasters the structure is supportive and helpful. I always marvel
> how the structure allows for such a deep amount of learning and practice..
>
> OS on the other hand is about communication with others to find common
> ground and envision a new direction for a difficult
> problem/issue/project. It rewards those who know how to write an
> intriguing session title, who can speak up, etc. Over time perhaps it is
> rewarding to the those with less hutzpah but I don't believe it would in
> a short 1.5 hr meeting regularly attended.
>
> By all means host a real OS with members of a Toastmasters club but do
> it outside the regularly scheduled meetings.** And do you really think
> "what is a competent leader" is a difficult question to which no one
> knows the answer?
>
> Argh! You've got me really rankled. I hope I've been clear.
>
> ** I'm concerned about the leadership dynamics. Some people may be
> excited by OS - but the very folks who most need and want what
> Toastmasters offers may be unwilling/unable to voice objections to
> having their club hijacked.
>
> Happy New Year everyone. I wonder whether it means anything that this is
> my first email of 2012?
>
>
> Annamarie Pluhar
>
> Pluhar Consulting
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>
> the
> On Jan 1, 2012, at 12:20 AM, Tim Lam wrote:
>
>> Thanks Michelle,
>> Happy New Year all!
>> TM primarily uses prepared speeches and table topics (impromptu
>> speech) to promote public speaking skills. In order to be certified at
>> the first level (CC - Competent Communicator) one has to give 10
>> speeches (project) whereby each speech has a different objective e.g
>> (1. ice breaker, 2. organize your speech, 3. get to the point, 5. your
>> body speaks..) and the evaluation of each has a different checklist
>> e.g. Evaluation to organise your speech would include:
>> Speech value - interesting, meaningful
>> Preparation - research, rehearsal
>> Organization - logical, clear
>> Opening - attention-getting, led into topic
>> Body - flowed smoothly
>> Conclusion - effective
>> Transitions - appropriate, helpful
>> The rigid format of TM means that each evaluator is given a checklist
>> according to the CC guide, ie role in session, and speech they may be
>> evaluating:
>> http://www.toastmasters.org/Members/MemberExperience/MeetingRoles/Evaluator.aspx
>> A typical meeting agenda could be:
>> 19:00
>>
>> Get Together
>> 19:15
>>
>> Welcome and Opening Remarks
>> 19:19
>>
>> Toastmaster of the Evening Opening
>> 19:25
>>
>> Table Topics (Impromptu Speech)
>> 19:36
>>
>> Speaker 1: (Prepared Speech)
>> 19:43
>>
>> Speaker 2: (Prepared Speech)
>> 19:51
>>
>> Speaker 3: (Prepared Speech)
>> 19:59
>>
>> Speaker 4: (Prepared Speech)
>> 20:10
>>
>> Introduction of New Guests**
>> 20:13
>>
>> *BREAK*
>> 20:24
>>
>> Evaluation – Table Topics **
>> 20:30
>>
>> Evaluation – For Speaker 1
>> 20:34
>>
>> Evaluation – For Speaker 2
>> 20:38
>>
>> Evaluation – For Speaker 3
>> 20:42
>>
>> Evaluation – For Speaker 4
>> 20:46
>>
>> Time Keeper Report
>> 20:49
>>
>> Ah Counter Report
>> 20:52
>>
>> Language Evaluation
>> 20:56
>>
>> General Evaluation
>> 21:05
>>
>> Voting
>> 21:08
>>
>> Closing Remarks and Announcement
>>
>> As far as previous OS sessions are concerned, the agenda would be
>> approximately:
>> 19:00-
>>
>> Opening Cirle, the theme, the principles, the law,
>> Creating the agenda
>> 19:30-
>>
>> First round of group discussion
>> 20:00-
>>
>> Second round of group discussion
>> 20:30-21:00
>>
>> Closing Circle
>>
>> I was considering to change the format slightly:
>> 19:00-19:10
>> 19:10-19:30
>>
>> Opening welcome by TM, introducing the changes in this "joined up" format
>> Opening Cirle, the theme, the principles, the law, Creating the agenda
>> 19:30-
>>
>> First round of group discussion
>> 20:00-
>>
>> Second round of group discussion
>> 20:30-21:50
>> 20:50-21:00
>>
>> Convenor / Group discussion "report-back"
>> Closing Circle / Remarks
>>
>> The time for the group discussions may need to be reduced accordingly
>> and I was thinking the thinking the closing circle may be changed to
>> focus on a report-back format. The report back may be from the group
>> convenor or just anyone who attended the group. As for voting maybe
>> just a show or hands, use of sticky dots to vote on topic, and present
>> 'prize' to topic convenor? TM usually present ribbons to the best
>> speaker, table topic speech... at the end of each session.
>> (http://www.toastmasters.org/MainMenuCategories/Shop/Awards/BESTSPEAKERRIBBONSETSETOF10534.aspx)
>> As for theme, probably somewhere along the lines: "How can we best
>> become competent leaders? What are the issues and how can they be best
>> addressed?"
>> Regards,
>> Tim.
>> _______________________________________________
>> *From:* Michele Frankel <frankelmichele at gmail.com
>> <mailto:frankelmichele at gmail.com>>
>> *To:* Tim Lam <timkylam at yahoo.com <mailto:timkylam at yahoo.com>>; World
>> wide Open Space Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:18 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Openspace and Toastmasters - A Taster
>>
>> No suggestions, but I would love to attend.
>> On second thoughts , I have one suggestion , a far more detailed ckeck
>> list to consult with , for evaluation.
>> Best wishes for the New Year.
>> Michele
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Tim Lam <timkylam at yahoo.com
>> <mailto:timkylam at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Warm wishes to all and the best of health this festive season!
>> As a distant spacer and located within the corporate (no names
>> mentioned) world, we recently ran a 2 hour OS taster, faciliated
>> by our dear friend Mark Pixley (Thanks again Mark!). It was really
>> well received and the feedback extremely positive given the
>> 'short' time period and the session being held after normal office
>> hours.
>> It is great to see more discussions and fantastic advice on
>> 'mini-sessions', however I am planning to run a joint session with
>> a Toastmasters (TM) club! Without going into too much details
>> about the TM 'philosophy' and hopefully not to offend any TM'ers.
>> TM aims to improve speaking and leadership skills by running
>> 'speech projects' which are timed and evaluated.
>> What are ones thoughts on how a balance can be made between the
>> 'chaos' of OS and the 'rigidity' of TM?
>> Although the session may not be run for a few months (their time
>> is booked for the next two) I thought it may be interesting to see
>> ones points of view. The main question is still brewing but I'm
>> thinking about a 'Leadership', as TM run 'Competent Communication'
>> and 'Competent Leadership' certifications. Any suggestions for
>> 'the' question?
>> Good Health !
>> Tim.
>>
>>
>>
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