[OSList] FW: Welcome to the 5th principle in order to remain 4

Wed Jun 8 23:49:17 PDT 2011

I know that the work at Saybrook University is inspired by the work of 
the Powers of Place Initiative, headed by Sheryl Erickson. There is a 
website with a very huge list of resources
http://www.powersofplace.com/
and an online community with a list of transformational places (PlaceBook):
http://powersofplace-workspace.ning.com/

With love,
Ria

On 8/06/11 17:22, donna.read at managing4wellness.org wrote:
> Well, I'm not sure that place should not be included. There is some 
> really interesting work being done in the OS Department at Saybrook 
> University on the "power of place."  If anyone is interested, I'll go 
> dig it out.  Best, Donna
>
>
>
>     -------- Original Message --------
>     Subject: [OSList] FW: Welcome to the 5th principle in order to remain
>     4
>     From: "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>>
>     Date: Tue, June 07, 2011 2:14 pm
>     To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'"
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>     I think I’ve found the secret. It is not so much what I said – but
>     what we all said which was “carried along” as a continuation of
>     the thread. So the answer is Delete, Delete, Delete.
>     Maybe?
>     Harrison//
>     Jorge – Welcome! And don’t stay away so long!!
>     Two principles about “time.” You’re right! But are both necessary?
>     I thought so at the time (bad pun J). The principles (all of them)
>     popped into my head over a period of years as I noticed the
>     strange things that happened in Open Space – and particularly the
>     strange things that appeared to perplex people. I found myself
>     enunciating the principles as a way of pointing out what they were
>     likely to run into and to suggest that, strange as it might seem,
>     everything would work out just fine.
>     The first Principle should make the point. Everybody was always
>     concerned that the “right” people come to a meeting. Usually they
>     meant those people with the political position, the appropriate
>     authority, or the right expertise. The experience, however, went
>     in a very different direction. Often it seemed like that even if
>     NONE of the “right” people showed up still very useful things
>     happened. I confess it took me a while to figure out why that
>     might be true – but  from the start, it just seemed like a fact of
>     life. Counter-intuitive as it might seem, “Whoever comes is the
>     right people.”
>     The two “time” Principles showed up for similar reasons. Obviously
>     they are both about time, but very different sorts of time. There
>     is “beginning” time and “ending” time. And people seemed very
>     concerned about each, but for different reasons. I noticed that
>     folks were often sweating the fact that we might not start “on
>     time.” But I also noticed that whenever we started, everything
>     seemed to work out just fine – hence, “Whenever it starts is the
>     right time.”
>     Ending time is a different creature. And most people just really
>     don’t want to talk about it. In extreme situations that sort of
>     time is called “death.” But even in more proximate situations,
>     “ending” is something we would rather not confront. Hopefully,
>     things will just go on forever. But  the don’t! All of this
>     becomes quite difficult when we spend a lot of time and effort
>     keeping something going, when in fact it is already ended. Dead so
>     to speak. Companies that have seen better days and should just
>     retire from the field of battle with a good funeral just keep
>     plugging away, wasting massive amounts of human energy and Spirit.
>     In truth they would do everybody a favor, themselves included, if
>     they would just admit the obvious, It’s over! Hence the Principle:
>     “When it is over, it’s over.”
>     There is really nothing very arcane and deep theory about these 5
>     Principles. Just funny things I’ve noticed that sometimes seem to
>     get in people’s way as they move in Open Space. The Principles
>     don’t actually change a thing. What’s going to happen will. But
>     when folks have a “heads-up” it seems to make it a little easier
>     for them.
>     Harrison
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>     [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of
>     *Jorge amigo
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:11 AM
>     *To:* 'Jorge amigo'; 'World wide Open Space Technology email list'
>     *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Welcome to the 5th principle in order to
>     remain 4
>     Dear community
>     I would like to delve a little deeper on the idea that I have
>     raised with the title "Welcome the 5th principle in order to
>     remain 4”.
>     First, tell you I appreciate and value the open space is OSLIST
>     virtual. I am basically a peripheral participant OSLIST. Very few
>     times I've written something, but I am a legitimate peripheral to
>     live in freedom and responsibility to participate from time to
>     time on subjects that interest me.
>     And this has been the case. The appearance of the reflections and
>     comments on the 5 th Principle has interested me. I believe that
>     the talks that have emerged on this new principle have been a
>     great contribution to cultivate the spirit of the OS, for to
>     flourish his essence.
>     The foundations for the incorporation of this new principle seem
>     solid and have been exhibited with clarity by Harrison Owen and
>     others. This new principle, - which has always been there-, makes
>     me much sense incorporate it into the opening of OS, because it
>     provides an essential distinction to the experience of the spirit
>     of the OS.
>     But it was his appearance that made me take a fresh look to each
>     of the other Principles. I wondered what was the equivalent
>     contribution of each one, which led me to review the focus and the
>     ideas associated with each.
>     The focus of the first principle is people. The recognition that
>     whatever is done will be done by people who are there. In our
>     practice as facilitators, with my dear friend Juan Luis,
>     enunciated this principle as "somos los que estamos, estamos los
>     que somos" an expression that our culture promotes the idea that
>     those are the best people to carry out the task . This focus
>     responds to the who / whom
>     The focus of the second, the action is, what is happening, what
>     people do, the experience of what I will do - we will do, I do -
>     we do, I did – we did. The lived process, the successful product.
>     It responds to what
>     For me, the focus of the third and fourth principle is only one,
>     is time. Present as one principle helps to raise awareness of the
>     relationship we have with time. From the experience of time to
>     create, to learn. To start and finish. The title of this merger
>     could be "when it starts, it starts, When it is over, it is over."
>     This focus responds to when
>     And there is the new principle, which brings the experience of
>     space itself. The place of meeting, whatever, will always be an
>     appropriate place. There is the worry about whether he could be in
>     a better place, once there, this is the right place. Responds to
>     where.
>     That's how I came to wonder the idea of welcoming the principle
>     5 in order to remain 4.
>     But also in terms of form, I like the idea of 4 to 5 Principles.
>     I think four is more harmonious with the circle of the OS figure.
>     Shape 4 shows key dimensions of life: the 4 cardinal points, the 4
>     seasons, the 4 basic elements and others. Finally, also, that less
>     is more.
>     But maybe I'm not seeing something important to justify the two
>     principles associated with the time necessary and useful to
>     present them separately. If so, please ask me what they indicate.
>     OS has been effective so far as it is and I believe that the
>     Principles are 4 or 5, does not add anything significant. In any
>     case, try my idea in the next OS to provide.
>     Finally, reflect on the subject I have found attractive, I
>     recreated the spirit of OS.
>     A hug for everyone and we hope in Chile, the right place for the
>     next Wosonos.
>     Jorge Amigo
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