Youth Leaders

ashley cooper mail.easilyamazed at gmail.com
Sun Oct 10 07:44:02 PDT 2010 

Hello all,

I'm thrilled that this thread is providing opportunities to think, feel and
express perspectives on the various roles we play, the impositions we make,
and some of the structuring within our societies (amongst many other things
obviously). Thank you for all of the caring that has been voiced.

For me it is such an honor to engage with people of all ages, youth
included, and to have the opportunities to experience how others are
experiencing the world we live in. The gratitude that young people express
for having adults around them that care about what they feel, think and
notice and encouraging them to follow their passion... well, it's a
tremendous gift to be in that presence and to companion them on that path.
And it's clearly a gift to have them along on my path!

I am constantly refreshed and renewed by the pure authenticity of joy, fun,
innocence and enthusiasm that many children still have in tact at the core
of their being. They are kids, they love being kids, and the experience we
created together with TEDxNextGenerationAsheville had at it's core an
imperative that they set. As one 17 year old said, "This is about the spirit
of adolescence." Mixing meaning and fun is what they are constantly doing
and who they are being. And it is a gift for me to get to reinforce that the
two can go together.

One of the teens that presented on the horrible realities of bullying in
schools (and proposed family to family mediation instead of just victim to
aggressor mediation and who also called out the fact that most adults in the
schools don't seem to know what to do to genuinely help the kids that are
being harassed daily) called me up the other day. A friend of her father's
is trying to start a non-profit for troubled teens. He wants some help and
she thought I might be able to support him or connect him with others in the
community. For me her call was a significant indicator that one of the
things that she's taken away from the TEDx experience was that there are
people in the community who want to help one another and want to work
together to make our community one that is a safe and nourishing place for
everyone to live. And that we can reach out to one another, ask for help,
make new connections and create opportunities together.

Another presenter told me that "I now feel a part of the community." In my
work with kids, I am hearing loud and clear that not only do they want the
freedom to be creative and follow their interests, but they want to know
that adults are watching them, caring about them, and encouraging them to
connect with what they find meaningful and interesting.

I was giving a talk to a youth service group made mostly of elders a couple
of weeks ago. I reached out to some teenagers before the talk, telling them
that I was talking to a group that wants to help young people, what would
you want them to know. Here are a few of their responses:

   "Just give kids the chance, adults often have a prejudice against young
people. Youth often have a fresh take on topics that can be very valuable
because we are the next adults. If you give us a chance now, imagine what we
can do when we are full fledged members of society."

"I say yes to local resources, but in a different light, PHYSICAL
resources. Like
if you want to make movies, maybe cameras for kids to rent for free. Or if
you want to record your band, a place to go for cheap. We don't have a lot
of money, so the last thing we should be asked for is large sums of money.
People who donate their "resources" will be paid back in the future when we
lend them a hand. Connections are key."

    "I'd just hope they'd just treat me like an adult. Be honest and upfront
and not mistrusting just because of our young age. "

More food for thought. Thank you for this space for sharing and hearing
different perspectives.

Warmest regards,
Ashley




On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Suzanne Daigle <sdaigle4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Ashley, Tree and others, Still loving this discussion so much.   From
> the initial post and where it evolved, I ponder thinking how wonderful it is
> when we apply passion to what we want to say, speaking our thoughts and
> views strongly as they are without holding back.  I feel the emotion, the
> intensity and I remind myself in the magic of those conversations that in
> the heat of the moments that emerge, it's not really about being right or
> wrong --though clearly I feel myself reading with the urge to take a
> position but this time I pause and in that pause, oh how clearly wonderful
> it is to just sit in the conversations and watch where I feel myself going,
> picking a strand here or there and just letting my thoughts go wherever.
>
> As I said earlier, I feel that I can agree with everything that's said.  I
> know that the pain, the challenges and the problems in the world call on us
> to urgently and meaningfully get in the "doing" of things and this calling
> leads to heroic acts by people of all ages. And there seems to be so much
> "doing to do", endless opportunities which is probably no different than it
> has always been since the beginning of time.  Is there any age to this
> compassion to act?
>
> But on the other side of the coin, I wonder if it's not equally important
> to "not do" and revere the "moments of not doing".  What about giving
> ourselves permission to feel pure joy, curiosity, innocence, laughter that
> bubbles over, wonder, the "feeling" of being a child, sad, happy, mad and
> glad in the moment.  What about the heroic act of "just being ourselves"
> that children seem to do so well?.  Must we give all that up when we are
> adults?  Is there a stage for that too?
>
> I realize that by sitting in the middle, we never feel the intensity that
> we feel when we go to the edges...joy/pain; chaos/order/; child/adult, etc.
> Perhaps this is what this conversation is all about.
>
> On this Canadian Thanksgiving,I know that these discussions took me to new
> places and  I want to engage in the "heroic act" of doing nothing more than
> enjoying with no guilt, the feeling of being with family of all ages.  I
> want to be like a child!
>
> So again Ashley, Tree and others, thanks so much. Because of this post, I
> know Thanksgiving will have another quality to it this year.
>
> Suzanne
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 10:09 PM, John's Email <jfs.rapp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why reading early, Tree?  This is the Biggest intrusion on childhood. Most
>> humanity -- esp historically -- Heard stories.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2010, at 11:53 AM, Tree Fitzpatrick <
>> therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You are certainly entitled to your beliefs, everyone who has commented.
>>
>> Eleven year olds who are organizing anti-war demonstrations have not been
>> given a childhood that might have allowed that child to continue his/her
>> inner development to become even better able to achieve a fully realized
>> adult person. There are biological reasons why the human being develops so
>> much more slowly than, say, a horse. It is not just about physical . . there
>> are inner aspects to being human that cannot be rushed. A central, tragic,
>> mistake is the kind of thinking many are reflecting here, talk about all
>> children developing at different stages . .
>>
>> why not let all humans drink alcohol from age fifteen?
>>
>> why do we have the voting age at 18 and why was it at 21 for so long?
>>
>> because the human being is not a full adult until age 21 and, even, older.
>> .. it's not just about emotional and physical maturity. We are spiritual
>> beings.
>>
>> It is our spiritual beings that are most stunted when we allow children to
>> enter adult decision making and adult simulation at younger and younger
>> ages.
>>
>> It is child abuse, in my opinion, to have events like the TED event. . . I
>> know nobody at that event would agree with me. IMO, and I do get to have it,
>> inviting children to sit on the boards of things like TED and the Jane
>> Goodall institute or, my goodness, citizen/community policy bords, amounts
>> to cultural and child abuse. Do we want fully evolved human beings to carry
>> the human race into the future? or do we want working clones for
>> corporations?
>>
>> I want fully evolved human beings and to get those, we need to keep
>> children asleep in childhood.That means no television, no internet. It means
>> reading. It means adding in their heads, not calculators. And it means not
>> pressuring children to raise money for charity and antiwar demonstrations.
>>
>> Everyone can believe whatever they want.  Let's see how the world does
>> with children who spend their childhoods in front of television and now,
>> online.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Pat Black < <patoitextiles at gmail.com>
>> patoitextiles at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Tree
>>> I have never agreed and disagreed more strongly with the same thought
>>> before.  It took me some time to sit with your ideas as I unpacked my own
>>> reaction to your statements.  I do not believe I misunderstand your beliefs
>>> about how you think childhoods should be protected and sheltered and I don't
>>> disagree with you in theory.  They should be protected and sheltered. There
>>> is no going back to stolen childhoods and childhood can be stolen. I do
>>> think childhoods can be stolen  under the guise of protection and shelter.
>>>    I do think there are developmental stages and that it's important for
>>> us to go through all those stages as we grow because we will use those
>>> stages as scaffolding as we become ourselves.  Having said that I also
>>> believe that we all come to be with a different set of tools and brilliant
>>> abilities.  Those unique qualities of self allow us to move through
>>> different developmental stages with different abilities and different times.
>>>  Here is where I take exception with what you are proposing and Waldorf for
>>> that matter.  Each brings our own time to the equation.  Some are ready to
>>> take on experiences interacting with adults and their world in very
>>> competent ways at very young ages.  In fact, they need to have those
>>> experiences to find the self they came to be.  I know for myself I was
>>> already organizing anti-war events by the time I was 11.  No one expected,
>>> pushed or even encouraged me to this.  I felt compelled by what I saw in the
>>> world and a deep need to change it.  I am grateful that as difficult as it
>>> was for my parents to allow me to do these things because they kept me on
>>> the path to myself.  My daughter was crying about flowers picked that didn't
>>> want to be picked by the time she was 2, raising money for pre-schools in
>>> Central America by the time she was 7 and comfortably reading essays she
>>> wrote to political demonstration with crowds of 50,000 people by the time
>>> she was 11.  My son on the other hand is 22 and still not ready to navigate
>>> the world as an adult.  He needs more time.  The issue for me is not whether
>>> I think a young person should participate in certain venues normally
>>> occupied by adults.  The issue is where the children are driven to go.  What
>>> do the children think?  Are they there because their own heart has passion
>>> and commitment or are they there because someone else thinks that is where
>>> they should be?  Childhood should be protected and sheltered.  I agree with
>>> that.  I also think it needs to be driven by the child's passion and
>>> commitment not the adults sense of what is appropriate for a child.  I am
>>> thinking about the recent hoopla about the 16 year old girl who wanted to
>>> sail around the world and all the talk about child abuse.  There was a time
>>> when she was out of radio contact and all the world was a twitter about what
>>> happened to her because the loss of contact came after a bad storm in the
>>> Pacific where she was.  After some days they found the boat and team rescued
>>> her.  Her mast broke in the storm and with that her satellite communications
>>> were down.  The questioners went on and on to her about her safety and
>>> whether she was alright and whether she should be out in a boat sailing by
>>> herself and her reply was "It was just a storm".  This child can only become
>>> herself through the sea and if you deny her the sea you deny her herself.
>>> I am just saying it is for the child to chose the direction and the speed
>>> and the adults to do what they can to facility the possibility.
>>> Pat Black
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Tree Fitzpatrick <<therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com>
>>> therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael, and other comments. .. I don't think anyone commenting actually
>>>> understood what I tried to say so I conclude that I failed to communicate.
>>>>
>>>> Young humans are not yet fully evolved humans. What all young people
>>>> need, including the most precocious of them, including ones that get asked
>>>> to sit on the board of the Jane Goodall Institute, is to be children.  It is
>>>> only by being children than humans can become fully realized adults.
>>>>
>>>> The world needs fully realized adults to achieve our shared, highest
>>>> destiny. When we push children out of childhood and into the adult realm,
>>>> those people rarely, if ever, get space later in life to go back and fill in
>>>> the gaps of what was missing.
>>>>
>>>> Michael, yes, indeed, children can bring a lovely element to any open
>>>> space. . . but that does not mean that it is right.  Children should not be
>>>> asked to participate in adult matters.  Ever.
>>>>
>>>> The damage contemporary society does to childhood is a very serious,
>>>> long-term consequence to humanity. If we do not keep children asleep in
>>>> childhood so they might do the inner work of their inner beings, we will
>>>> have a human future full of unrealized 'grown ups'.  It is casual,
>>>> nonsensical folly to bring children -- unformed adults -- into adult
>>>> discussions. It is wrong on a gagillion levels.
>>>>
>>>> We are all so caught up in rushing towards the future. One thing we
>>>> humans cannot 'rush' is the slow development and incubation of fully
>>>> realized human beings:  that development takes place in childhood. It is
>>>> irrationally folly to bring children into adult decisions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 3:06 AM, Michael M Pannwitz <<mmpanne at boscop.org>
>>>> mmpanne at boscop.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Tree,
>>>>> from where I sit (public) decision making as presently practiced, for
>>>>> instance in Germany, is ineffective, creates larger problems, is
>>>>> lobby-infested, dogmatic, expensive, not even a good show... who would want
>>>>> to be part of that?
>>>>> What I have experienced often in "formal" open space events and in the
>>>>> "normal" open space of everyday life (like the 1,5 year old daughter of a
>>>>> neighbor visiting and taking over our household, very effectively involving
>>>>> us in her life and experiments, curious, decisions?-easy for her....pure
>>>>> joy)is that kids of all ages thrive in it.
>>>>> But then, thats not decision making in the sense of sitting on a
>>>>> "board" of whatsoever.
>>>>> Day-care children, grade school kids, highschool kids, teenagers... are
>>>>> the greatest gift to an open space event, so I encourage their taking part
>>>>> and it seems to always have been productive, fun, healthy...
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a great day
>>>>> Greetings from Berlin
>>>>> mmp
>>>>>
>>>>> Tree Fitzpatrick schrieb:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There are many things off kilter in human culture. One thing that I
>>>>>> think is
>>>>>> off kilter is that adult humans now routinely encourage non-adult
>>>>>> humans to
>>>>>> participate in things like 'public decision making'.  Where did we get
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> assumption that a young person has the capacity of a fully evolved
>>>>>> adult
>>>>>> human to make informed decisions that might have long term
>>>>>> consequences on
>>>>>> the child, other children, the community, the culture, etc? Children
>>>>>> are not
>>>>>> yet adult.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We encourage children to 'awaken' to adulthood far too early.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am appalled that many now take it for granted that children (a
>>>>>> non-adult
>>>>>> is still a child) should sit on something like the Board of Directors
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> something like the Jane Goddall Institute (whatever that is, I imagine
>>>>>> Ashley meant Jane Goddall).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a major flaw, I think, in evolving culture and it has
>>>>>> endlessly
>>>>>> complex repercussions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Children's job is to be children, to developo their own personhood
>>>>>> fully so
>>>>>> that they will one day take a place in adult community. Children
>>>>>> awaken to
>>>>>> adult considerations much too early. TElevision has been a huge
>>>>>> culprit in
>>>>>> this regard and now, of course, the internet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A child's main work is being a child. It's just not right to
>>>>>> cavalierly get
>>>>>> youth input into decisioins that children cannot, just cannot, really
>>>>>> know.
>>>>>> A twelve year old, a sixteen year old, is not mature enough to make
>>>>>> complex
>>>>>> public decisions and it is wrong to ask them to:  asking children to
>>>>>> participate in grown up life as peers with the adults dishonors
>>>>>> children
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I get my main attitudes about children from having sent my child to a
>>>>>> Waldorf School and having been a student of Rudolf STeiner for over
>>>>>> twenty
>>>>>> years. Much of what is wrong with human culture can be traced to the
>>>>>> practice of stunting youthful inner development under the guise of
>>>>>> awakening
>>>>>> children too early to adult concerns. This is why we now have an
>>>>>> education
>>>>>> system in USA that is focussed on test scores instead of the inner
>>>>>> development of children. There is a story in today's NYTImes about how
>>>>>> publishers are publishing less picture books and how parents pressure
>>>>>> four
>>>>>> years olds to listen to long stories and skip picture books so they
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> have better test scores later. . . this dynamic is connected to
>>>>>> including
>>>>>> youth in public decisinmaking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know this is a very popular trend and I know Ashely Cooper is deeply
>>>>>> invested in the world and I know she is a good caring person intent on
>>>>>> making positive contributions in the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I get to have my opinion, yes?  I am worried about the millions of
>>>>>> humans
>>>>>> who are children today who are not cloud-gazing and spending their
>>>>>> summers
>>>>>> hunting rocks and birds' nests and who are told, when they are twelve,
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> they can contribute to public decisions. Grown up humans have a duty
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> children:  to let them be children. Otherwise what we are creating is
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> army of humans who are not fully developed humans who will make good
>>>>>> wage
>>>>>> slaves for the elite billionaires running the tea part movement.
>>>>>> Thinking
>>>>>> caring loving people should not participate in pushing children into
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> adult arena while children.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 6:51 PM, ashley cooper
>>>>>> < <mail.easilyamazed at gmail.com>mail.easilyamazed at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hello Open Space friends,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have fallen off of the OSlist for awhile, but I wanted to share
>>>>>>> with you
>>>>>>> a talk from a recent TEDx event that I hosted,
>>>>>>> TEDxNextGenerationAsheville<<http://www.tedxnextgenerationasheville.com/>
>>>>>>> http://www.tedxnextgenerationasheville.com/>.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This event was all about spotlighting the ideas of young people and
>>>>>>> giving
>>>>>>> them a public stage from which to share and be heard. It was also an
>>>>>>> invitation for there to be more collaboration between youth and
>>>>>>> adults.
>>>>>>> Chase Pickering spoke about the role of youth in leadership and how
>>>>>>> young
>>>>>>> people can contribute to public decision-making and serve on Board of
>>>>>>> Directors (which he did with the Jane Goddall Institute). If you are
>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>> position to invite a youth to serve on your board of directors or
>>>>>>> advisory
>>>>>>> board or encourage the clients you work with, please consider Chase's
>>>>>>> advice!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27IJpZVP1qs>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27IJpZVP1qs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can also watch Birke Baehr's talk about the food we eat. He is an
>>>>>>> 11
>>>>>>> year old who is passionate about food and whose talk has gone viral
>>>>>>> and been
>>>>>>> viewed over 200,000 times in less than 2 weeks.
>>>>>>>  <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7Id9caYw-Y>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7Id9caYw-Y
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sending fondest regards from Asheville, NC, USA,
>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.s. If you would like to respond to me personally, please send it to
>>>>>>>  <easilyamazed at gmail.com>easilyamazed at gmail.com . I have not been
>>>>>>> checking this account regularly.
>>>>>>> Thank you.
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>>>>
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