Politically Correct and more

[Michael M Pannwitz]

Dear Raffi,
all agreed but for your note on "Stammtisch".
Scratch WOSonOS, OSonOS, Learning Exchanges, Trainings, Zing, Pling, 
OSLIST, openspacedeutsch, OSIs,....but
never
the
Stammtisch!
It is the purest container for the unfolding of selforganisation (save 
perhaps the playground in my neighborhood where I watch selforganisation 
doing its stuff rampantly).
And it is the largest.
Love and Peace
mmp

Raffi Aftandelian schrieb:
> Jack, thanks much for:
> 
> 
>> With regard to your earlier email, I agree that PC is rife in the Open Space
> community, and that it is not safe to raise certain issues - not only in
> these posts, but beyond OSList.
> 
>> Two years ago, Paul Levy and I announced a discussion session, Open Space
> 2.0: Beyond the Dogma. The announcement triggered some hostility and a heap
> of defensive responses. Paul received an item of what can only be called
> hate mail from a prominent member of the so-called OS community (perhaps
> more like what Scott Peck would call 'pseudo-community').
> 
> 
>> Pseudo-community: Where participants are "nice with each other",
>> playing-safe, and presenting what they feel is the most favourable sides of
>> their personalities.
> 
> Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community
> 
> 
>> I've had similar responses to other posts, which is why I rarely post to
> this list these days.
> 
>> 25 years down the track, if they survive that long, most organisational
> concepts and tools have splintered and evolved. Open Space hasn't, and I'm
> not sure this is a good thing. It seems to reflect a degree of orthodoxy.
> 
>> I await howls of protest.
> 
> 
> and Michael thanks for giving a picture onto what happened at the one OT
> conference you attended.
> 
> You make OT sound more like a Rainbow Gathering or a Burning Man event than...
> 
> In any case, Jack, I'd like to express a howl of appreciation for saying
> that there are things you'd like to bring up on the list but don't feel safe
> doing so. 
> 
> What would it take for you to bring things up on the list?
> 
> As for the evolution of OST, hasn't it evolved?? Aren't Art of Hosting,
> Barcamps, unconferences, the Genuine Contact Program examples of the
> evolution of the technology? Now, we may quibble about the usefulness of
> these different paths of evolution, but...
> 
> And at the same time, when it comes to gathering together to get work done
> around something with great complexity, i haven't come across a better way. 
> 
> i'm afraid for now we're stuck with the Man in the Hat and the
> re-re-re-re-re-re-retelling of the Two Martini story...
> 
> if something could be different in the os community, jack, what would it be?
> and what would you need to make that happen?
> 
> i'll be the first to admit there are things about the os community that i
> find maddening at times. but when i ask myself how important it is to really
> address them- does it really matter- i find, well, no!
> 
> i think we are at a point where if we were to stop having stammtisches,
> wosonoses, osonoses, os "trainings," etc. ost would still get out
> there...we've reached a tipping point. 
> 
> if anything, i wonder if the history of our community in terms of how the
> technology has gotten into the world is a case worthy of study in and of
> itself (an example of how a good technology can get out there with minimal
> use of resources). ost got out there without a marketing plan, without
> research demonstrating its efficacy, heck without a - from what i can see- a
> central organization coordinating efforts and with rather limited rolling 
> out of an increasingly senile (his word, not mine) guru  for marketing
> efforts... 
> 
> yes, it was and is self-organizing at work...and at the same time, i wonder
> if it is worth looking more deeply at the question birgitt has posed--
> "what's the larger container in which self-organizing takes place?"
> 
> warmly,
> raffi
> 
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