Hosting and holding space

Michael M Pannwitz mmpanne at boscop.org
Wed Jul 7 12:34:49 PDT 2010 

Dear Pat,
somehow I missed the "interesting question" that your referred to. I 
looked through all the recent posts and did not find Wendy's question.
What was it?
Greetings from Berlin where not a car or person nor a cat or dog is on 
the streets...
mmp

Pat Black schrieb:
> Interesting question Wendy.  The difference between hosting and holding
> space is where my attention goes.  Holding space by attention is only on the
> space and what it requires.  In hosting I attend to the beings inside the
> space and what they need to thrive in the space.
> Pat Black
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Wendy Farmer-O'Neil <wendy at xe.net> wrote:
> 
>> Mu
>>
>>
>> ;)
>>
>> w
>>
>> On 7-Jul-10, at 8:47 AM, doug wrote:
>>
>>  Hi--
>>> In a recent post, http://chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/?p=2839 Chris
>>> Corrigan says "there is no outside."
>>>
>>> Chris has got me thinking again of the interplay of hosting and holding
>>> space.
>>>
>>> As I see it today, holding space means having a view towards the health
>>> of the whole system that is in the room—a global view that is larger
>>> than the participants might have. So it is not noticing themes, because
>>> my experience is that the facilitator is not into the trees enough to
>>> notice the paths in the woods.
>>>
>>> It is more that the facilitator is seeing that the woods is healthy for
>>> all the beings there—little animals and large, birds and insects and
>>> flowers and trees. Of course that is an impossible task, since no one is
>>> managing the forest. The forest self organizes itself.
>>>
>>> So we pick up the coffee cups and candy bar wrappers and pop cans that
>>> people semi-consciously leave behind and we let those who are active in
>>> the conversations know by our invisible presence that they are doing
>>> things exactly right: whatever happens....
>>>
>>> So can this be done from within the system? Is there any outside? Is
>>> there not a certain hubris in thinking we can stay above and outside and
>>> hold the space...what? Together?
>>>
>>> How is hosting related to holding space? When can the space holder enter
>>> the conversation swirling about?
>>>
>>>                                :- Doug.
>>>
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>>
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Michael--

I think Pat was responding to my question, to which Wendy was also
responding. My question is below Wendy's reply below.

			:- Doug.




On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 21:34 +0200, Michael M Pannwitz wrote:
> Dear Pat,
> somehow I missed the "interesting question" that your referred to. I 
> looked through all the recent posts and did not find Wendy's question.
> What was it?
> Greetings from Berlin where not a car or person nor a cat or dog is on 
> the streets...
> mmp
> 
> Pat Black schrieb:
> > Interesting question Wendy.  The difference between hosting and holding
> > space is where my attention goes.  Holding space by attention is only on the
> > space and what it requires.  In hosting I attend to the beings inside the
> > space and what they need to thrive in the space.
> > Pat Black
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Wendy Farmer-O'Neil <wendy at xe.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> Mu
> >>
> >>
> >> ;)
> >>
> >> w
> >>
> >> On 7-Jul-10, at 8:47 AM, doug wrote:
> >>
> >>  Hi--
> >>> In a recent post, http://chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/?p=2839 Chris
> >>> Corrigan says "there is no outside."
> >>>
> >>> Chris has got me thinking again of the interplay of hosting and holding
> >>> space.
> >>>
> >>> As I see it today, holding space means having a view towards the health
> >>> of the whole system that is in the room—a global view that is larger
> >>> than the participants might have. So it is not noticing themes, because
> >>> my experience is that the facilitator is not into the trees enough to
> >>> notice the paths in the woods.
> >>>
> >>> It is more that the facilitator is seeing that the woods is healthy for
> >>> all the beings there—little animals and large, birds and insects and
> >>> flowers and trees. Of course that is an impossible task, since no one is
> >>> managing the forest. The forest self organizes itself.
> >>>
> >>> So we pick up the coffee cups and candy bar wrappers and pop cans that
> >>> people semi-consciously leave behind and we let those who are active in
> >>> the conversations know by our invisible presence that they are doing
> >>> things exactly right: whatever happens....
> >>>
> >>> So can this be done from within the system? Is there any outside? Is
> >>> there not a certain hubris in thinking we can stay above and outside and
> >>> hold the space...what? Together?
> >>>
> >>> How is hosting related to holding space? When can the space holder enter
> >>> the conversation swirling about?
> >>>
> >>>                                :- Doug.
> >>>
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> >> Wendy Farmer-O'Neil
> >> CEO Prospera Consulting
> >> wendy at xe.net
> >> 1-800-713-2351
> >>
> >> The moment of change is the only poem. -- Adrienne Rich
> >>
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> Michael M Pannwitz, boscop eg
> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
> ++49-30-772 8000
> mmpanne at boscop.org
> www.boscop.org
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