oslist will end soon -- it's time to deliberate, decide and act

Wed Dec 1 16:03:57 PST 2010

oh, okay, harold.  that's fine.  i thought your previous message said
listserv to listserv was still the better option.  i'm all for dumping it
and going open source.  as an ordinary participant in this world, simply
posting the 150 monthly logs with and index/search page would be enough.

so it seems the best way to go is the mailman route.  now i also remember
seeing (and trading some emails with) a guy named anthony thompson, who's
posted steps for convernting listserv to mailman.  he might be a resource
for you to tap.  he was very willing to help and i don't recall there was
any huge cost associated with that help.

as for getting the log files, the total package is 277MB (as of this
morning) and 75MB if it's all zipped.  logs go back monthly to 1999.  it'll
have to come by pony express on a CD.  right now, i have only the one
month's file, link posted in my earlier message.  can you do what you need
to with that one, for testing?  or with several copies of it?  if i get bsu
to send a dump of the thing now, i suppose i could get them to send the rest
later.  can you do this migration in batches like that?  anyway, tell me
what you think works best and i'll do it.

m

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On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com> wrote:

>  Michael,
>
> Just a few clarifications - switching to Mailman would keep our archives as
> seamlessly integrated as they are now. It would be pretty similar to a
> straight ListServe to ListServe port. The advantage is that MailMan is free,
> has a strong user/developer base, and we would have full control over the
> webhosting - so it is less likely we would have to face this issue again of
> worrying about being homeless.
>
> For OSList - we don't really need technical support after the port. We'd
> just need whatever support is getting done now on OSList to moderate the
> list membership. I don't know of any email list software that can protect
> you completely from trolls and spammers without a human being involved. If
> there are others willing to help with that task - it would be
> straightforward to explain how to do that - even if they're not technically
> oriented.
>
>     Harold
>
> P.S. About porting archives to Mailman from Listserve - many people have
> posted articles about how to do this. I'd be interested in testing the
> porting process for the archives if you'd send me a link to the zip file of
> the archive files I could test the porting process and host the results so
> folks could compare. As convenient as it might be just to go from ListServe
> at Boise to some other benefactor, it's not clear to me that's necessarily
> the best option.
>
>
>
> On 12/1/10 2:16 PM, Michael Herman wrote:
>
> looking back at what harold sent earlier, it seems that the option he's
> proposing is one way to go forward with a new, manageable, cost-free and
> ad-free(!) conversation.  the archive part is included, but only as a
> separate part, meaning the new messages won't hit the old archive.  we'd
> have an old archive and then start growing a new one, nearby.  so the best
> option is still to find another "listserv" user/customer to host our list.
> harold's option, as he's noted, is a second choice -- but i'd say it's an
> excellent one.
>
> if we find another listserv host, we'll do pretty much nothing.  the old
> guys will send all our stuff to the new guys, or maybe i'll be in teh middle
> of that, doing very complicated things like opening the envelope,
> repackaging and mailing to the new guys.  if we go with harold's solution,
> we'll need him and perhaps others to do some techie things to make the
> archive work as an add-on (stand beside, i think) to the new list.
>
> as for harold's question about my continuing to support, i am glad to help
> get this set up, but i'm not likely qualified to do anything very
> technical.  and going forward, i'd prefer to have others step into the list
> sheparding tasks (small as they might be).  i have one query out to a
> possible host, and if that host materializes, then i will stay on to support
> that connection.  otherwise, i hope others will take this on.
>
> m
>
>
>
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>

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