oslist will end soon -- it's time to deliberate, decide and act

Wed Dec 1 13:16:51 PST 2010

looking back at what harold sent earlier, it seems that the option he's
proposing is one way to go forward with a new, manageable, cost-free and
ad-free(!) conversation.  the archive part is included, but only as a
separate part, meaning the new messages won't hit the old archive.  we'd
have an old archive and then start growing a new one, nearby.  so the best
option is still to find another "listserv" user/customer to host our list.
harold's option, as he's noted, is a second choice -- but i'd say it's an
excellent one.

if we find another listserv host, we'll do pretty much nothing.  the old
guys will send all our stuff to the new guys, or maybe i'll be in teh middle
of that, doing very complicated things like opening the envelope,
repackaging and mailing to the new guys.  if we go with harold's solution,
we'll need him and perhaps others to do some techie things to make the
archive work as an add-on (stand beside, i think) to the new list.

as for harold's question about my continuing to support, i am glad to help
get this set up, but i'm not likely qualified to do anything very
technical.  and going forward, i'd prefer to have others step into the list
sheparding tasks (small as they might be).  i have one query out to a
possible host, and if that host materializes, then i will stay on to support
that connection.  otherwise, i hope others will take this on.

m

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On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com> wrote:

>  Michael,
>
> This is just me talking - but I'm fairly certain that the board would be
> happy to support this for free if the community wanted it. Hopefully you
> might still be willing to handle some of the admin stuff - I don't know who
> is doing what for the current OSList serve. But I think it does take a
> little attention to moderate new subscribers to avoid spammers - that would
> be true for a Google group too.
>
> I definitely agree with you it would be best to move to another list serve
> style service - and to port the archives to the new system - it is best if
> all the archives would be in one place - not multiple. I've done searches on
> the archives in the past trying to get ideas about specific topics. It might
> get tricky for folks to have to work with two different search places.
>
> Even though Google groups are attractive - it would feel odd seeing Google
> ads at the bottom of all our OSList emails in the future. And using Google
> gives them a non-expiring license to anything you write - so you lose quite
> a few rights with a free Google service.
>
>     Cheers,
>     Harold
>
>
> On 12/1/10 11:53 AM, Michael Herman wrote:
>
> this sounds great, harold.  osi-us could get us into the free deal?
>
> do you agree that best option is to migrate to another listserv host and,
> failing that, fall back to this option?
>
> m
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
>
> http://MichaelHerman.com
> http://RonanParkTrail.com
> http://ManorNeighbors.com
> http://ChicagoConservationCorps.org
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com>wrote:
>
>>  Hi Michael,
>>
>> Thanks for all your research on this. There's another option to consider.
>> The Open Space Institute for the US has managed to start using the free and
>> open source list serve software that runs and looks almost exactly like the
>> current ListServe for free using a generous web hosting company that gives
>> out web host services to U.S. 501(c)(3) organizations.
>>
>> It takes very little administration - as the Web Hosting company provides
>> a one click install for the "Mailman" program, which is the List Serve
>> software which is widely used:
>>
>> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/index.html
>>
>> And there is even a path to maintain the logs for browsing and searching
>> in a similar way to how they are searchable and browsable now. It would take
>> a little techie work - but I'd be happy to help with that.
>>
>> Even if we didn't want get help from a current 501(c)(3) organization
>> (which would make it free) going with this kind of solution would only cost
>> about $100 US a year.
>>
>>     Harold
>>
>>
>> On 12/1/10 10:47 AM, Michael Herman wrote:
>>
>>
>> 1. the oslist will cease to exist in its current form not later than june
>> of next year.
>> 2. boise state is migrating their own lists to googlegroups
>> 3. boise state is NOT migrating any archives (so we're on our own with
>> that)
>> 4. our archives will be delivered to us on a single CD
>> 5. they will be in the form of 150 monthly log files (roughly, 12 months x
>> 12 years)
>> 6. these monthly files can be read easily in any text editor
>> 7. they can be read less easily when opened directly in a web browser
>> application
>> 8. the BEST way to keep the archives and the list going is another l-soft
>> listserv host org
>> 9. finding another listserv host organization is something anyone can help
>> with... now!
>> 10. we already have oslist at googlegroups.com set up, so that's available
>> if/when we want to use it
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>> Harold Shinsato
>> harold at shinsato.com
>> http://shinsato.com
>> twitter: @hajush <http://twitter.com/hajush>
>>
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