re honouring each other

[Michael M Pannwitz]

Dear Michael Dobbie,
hope you have a great time in Australia and run into many of the 
os-workers there! Are you facilitating os-events there or do os-related 
stuff? I remember
Since I have always just simply participated in the oslist, the aspect 
of being invited never came to my mind. Maybe that contributes to what 
Harold (and many, as he states) perceives as "forbidding", fat guys like 
me taking up the space.
The "roll call" in process did reveal to me that there are many on the 
list who are mostly in the "learning" mode (as in the Law: "I honor a 
group with my absence if I neither learn nor contribute. If I learn, I 
stay, If I contribute, I stay. But if neither nor, I leave.")
By the way, I noticed that the email you used in your post varies from 
the one in your info box in the Open Space World Map...let me know if 
you would like to have it adjusted).
Greetings from Berlin
mmp

Michael Dobbie wrote:
> hello all!
>     just for the record (so my voice is somehow captured on this topic)...
>     
>     in all these years on the list (maybe 8 or 9 years now of mostly just
> having to listen) i have not found this listserve and it's format to be
> welcoming to me (easy to use) in a way that "invites" me to contribute much
> at all, 
>     i look forward to moving this list along (away from this cumbersome,
> difficult to read boise listserve system) into something more ning-like (but
> hopefully better),
>     thank you all for your efforts and looking forward to more conversation
> with you all, 
>     michael (here in australia for the next 3 months if you're nearby and
> want to meet up somewhere)
>     
> http://twitter.com/cuixote
>  
> 
> Date:    Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:47:07 -0700
> From:    Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com>
> Subject: Re: re honouring each other
> 
> Denise,
> 
> Just a quick note - "into deeper cyber realms" - is not what I would
> think is the intent to improve things.
> 
> When things are improved - it should be easier, lighter, more
> transparent.    YES!!! 
> 
> The "deeper cyber realms" sounds to me rather scary.
> For many - and myself as well - the OSList is actually a bit forbidding.
> Not just technologically. I was scared to post for years.
> 
>     Harold
> 
> Date:    Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:36:52 -0600
> From:    Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>
> Subject: Re: re honouring each other
> 
> ....We have been here for a long time, and it is difficult to move into a
> new house.*      WHY?
> 
> murli nagasundaram is the guy who first invited us (here) to boise state,
> and has been the nominal owner as far as the boise state list admin folks
> are concerned.  my earliest observation in this thread, about the oslist
> ownership, was just to point out that if boise state decided to change their
> systems, we have no control at all over that.  for now, we are just lucky
> that we have murli -- and also lucky that the admin guys like him/us well
> enough that we've worked out an arrangement through which the admin guys
> will to look after us, even if murli were to leave the uni.
> 
> so none of us really owns the oslist, and for the last 13 years, it is
> working just fine.      for who ????????????  
> 
> 
> to paraphrase ralph, the space doesn't care who owns it.  m
>     SOME OF US DO CARE
> 
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