Roll Call: Present

Tue Nov 24 09:31:37 PST 2009

Something else that I notice...

The power of words.

in myself in my imagination because we are an OS "list" I see a  
straight line and forget that we are in a "circle"

Maybe we should be the OS circle!

If I remember this I can feel how it would change my communication.

P x

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 24, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Esther Ewing <ewingchange at gmail.com> wrote:

> Present!
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Erik
> Fabian
> Sent: November 24, 2009 4:13 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: [OSLIST] Roll Call: Present
>
> I was intrigued by Phelim's observation that the OSLIST, not being a
> physical space, lacks the
> information that comes from people sitting silent or choosing to  
> leave.
>
> I invite the many folks, the lurkers, the newbies, the old hands,  
> the folks
> with better things to do,
> anyone really...to respond to this message with a "present" if you  
> would
> like to be noted as attending
> to this virtual space.
>
> I know it won't solve the exiting problem but it might perhaps give  
> a sense
> of scale to the ratio of
> talkers to the silent.
>
> Erik - present
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>From  Tue Nov 24 22:13:15 2009
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Michael--

What you say about preserving the old and extending it with the new is
very similar to what I have been reading all through Christopher
Alexander's The Nature of Order: the life giving transformations are the
ones which are structure preserving: that is, they always preserve the
life that was there before and intensify it.

			:- Doug.

On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 13:51 -0600, Michael Herman wrote:
> more from birgitt williams' chapter in tales from open space, from her
> list of "key ingredients", in the spirit of finding deeper
> understanding AND nitty-gritty technical moves for getting on with our
> work, on the web and in the world:
> 
> ...here is what I believe the key ingredients are to sustaining the
> new and ever renewing after an Open Space event.
> 
> 
> Language. We found that many assumptions/miscommunications occurred
> because we didn't take the time to teach one another our "language."
> Most notable were differences in language of senior staff who kept
> referring to the global picture, supervisory staff who dealt with
> meeting goals and objectives, and front-line staff who talked about
> what faced them minute by minute. We all still are passionate about
> different things based on our role, but we've tried to teach each
> other our language.
> 
> 
> why did i not pull the plug on the websites last night?  why did i not
> quit the list?  it's the same reason that i have not made other major
> changes in the site(s) for a couple of years now.  and it has much to
> do with what birgitt says about these differences in global vision and
> minute-to-minute.
> 
> it's worth noticing, i think, that when we talk about
> openspaceworld.org on the oslist or elsewhere, almost everyone talks
> about new tools, blogs and nings and wikis.  i'm a willing participant
> in those conversations.
> 
> AND... there is another conversation that i almost never have with
> anyone... it starts out like this:  "...but what will i do with the
> powerpoint presentation that laurel doersam contributed before she
> died?  what will i do with joelle's (and peggy's) STORIES newsletters?
> what about peggy's old, original ost website hosted at the meta
> network?  and osonos proceedings from ten years ago, not all of which
> are in the form of a simple document.  yes, of course, all these
> things can be archived on a server out there forever, but how can they
> be kept accessible?  
> 
> the longer we go on, the more history we create.  i think this history
> says as much about who we are as a community and a practice as any of
> the newest tools.  if a leader comes to a site like osw and can see
> that we are looking out for laurel's presentation and peggy's original
> site, i think that on some level that will assure them that we are not
> slash and burn sorts of folks.  leaders need to know, and i think we
> need to show the world, that open space is not about destroying
> existing structures and leaders in our devotion to whatever is new and
> emergent.  
> 
> to continually bring our history forward gets more and more
> technically challenging as time goes on.  there are more and more
> files and formats to migrate, or to bury.  there is no perfect
> solution.  and no perfect technology.  nor are my technical skills all
> not that deep.  
> 
> until some of this stuff was raised in april, i didn't know how,
> technically, to make more space in the openspaceworld.org site.  in
> response to inquiries from osi-usa, i did some more studying and
> learned how i could create whole new spaces, technically they'd be
> sub-domains, with addresses like osi-usa.openspaceworld.org ...these
> spaces would have their own ftp access, own passwords, and whatever
> group was using a space like this could own and manage their stuff
> totally for themselves and others.
> 
> i gulped.  i didn't really want to be in the website business in the
> first place, and this was deeper still.  
> 
> since osi-usa was the only group i knew of that was actively thinking
> about developing something new, i shared this new option with them.  i
> thought we might learn our way into how to manage such an arrangement
> together, then offer it to everyone else.  obviously, we haven't
> pursued this option yet, but the offer still stands.
> 
> kaliya, i didn't offer this option to you, individually, because i'd
> already tried to follow up with you on these things and i took your
> short or non- replies as an indication that you'd moved on to other
> things.  when you have taken your complaints to the list, or to
> osi-usa board members, rather than to me personally, it makes it
> harder for me to get to know you better and learn to trust you as a
> working partner.  in april, the conversation started because osi-usa
> emailed me and asked me to comment on what you'd sent to them.
> because they brought the question to me, i made my offer of new
> working space to them.  at that time they were the ones talking about
> creating a site for themselves.  
> 
> if you want to develop these new things, i am glad to provide hosting
> space under the openspaceworld.org umbrella, in one or more
> subdomains.  you can have your own space(s), own password(s), ftp
> access.  all of the history that is osw can continue on it's merry
> terrible way and your new functions will benefit reap whatever
> benefits might accrue from being part of the highly-ranked main site.
> but more than that, once your stuff is up and running, ways to connect
> our history with our future might be easier for both of us to see.  
> 
> if harrison is committed to hanging around oslist for the duration, i
> guess my favorite place to rest in all of this is in the design of the
> main home page of osw.  the 22 langauges (21 plus farsi coming soon)
> matter to me.  the links to other sites like world map and os-online
> and ning, too.  that page is where i'd like to continue to be able to
> play.  everyting behind that, blog, wikis, resources, videos, laurel's
> presentation, and the like -- as long as i know it's to be well cared
> for, i would gladly give all of that up to the new system.  i just
> want to be able to continue to take a leading role in shaping that one
> front page, cuz i get such a charge out of adding another link,
> another big chunk of space opening, like adding links to research and
> ning this week.  
> 
> please give me a call if you want to explore any of this together.
> 
> m
> 
> 
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