Come join us at Open Space Technology World Community Ning site!!

Thu Nov 19 12:40:35 PST 2009

I am not so interested in the history of this debate or which website,  
Nings, blogs end up part of the OS community - I am just glad we have  
choices.

Consider me someone who likes to know what time it is, but does not  
necessarily need to know how to build a watch.

Because this discussion is on a listserv I get everysingle comment,  
and as a consequence I get to see what is going on all the time.  I  
also have to scan and delete dozens of emails everyday or read them  
all - either is not a very efficient choice for me.  What I like about  
a wiki, blog or discussion forum is that you can choose which  
discussion to follow.

I wonder if it  would be possible, and even a good idea at this  
point,  to take this discussion about platforms to support the OS  
community to a blog or the Ning?  If not, my only alternative is to  
ignore all posts or drop off the listserv.

Thanks, Lucy

Lucy Garrick
NorthShore Group
Business/Organizational Consultant/Coach
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On Nov 19, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Kaliya * wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Justin T. Sampson <justin at krasama.com 
> > wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Kaliya * <identitywoman at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> Yeah - MEATBALL WIKI IS NOT A MAINSTREAM WIKI.
>
> I must say I'm a bit baffled by this whole exchange. I often find  
> much value in your posts, but as a moderate techie you must realize  
> that ALL CAPS IS CONSIDERED YELLING
>
> I was yelling.
> I have been saying this to Micheal for years and he keeps saying "it  
> is mainstream" - and quite frankly it isn't.
> Having an old out of date syntax that is not appropriate to expect  
> non-tech-inclined people to learn in this community.
> Yes it may be easy to "install" and beautiful to maintain (From your  
> perspective as a developer) but that is beside the point if it not  
> usable for people like Lisa.
>
> I'm a more extreme techie (currently working as a software engineer  
> at Google), I've built and installed a bunch of software, and I host  
> a few small websites (including www.wosonos2008.org), and I just  
> have to point out that it's no trivial feat to keep a site up and  
> running for a decade, community involvement or no.
>
> Maybe it is not clear from the tone of how the dialogue unfolded. I  
> respect what Micheal has created and 10 years ago it was totally  
> appropriate to "Just put up a site" and the only way to maintain it  
> was to hand edit the HTML etc. This site is that kind of site - hard  
> to "just open up" and it is his right not to.
>
> When I first got to this community I went to find the wiki and tried  
> to edit it and got totally stalled and I am technically literate and  
> participate in many a open standards community editing wiki's all  
> the time. I counldn't easily access and change this one.  I assumed  
> that this site was managed and developed by and in community.  I  
> only learned from my dialogues with people that "really it is  
> Micheal's site" but the site doesn't say this.
>
> The site was not and still is not labeled as Micheal Herman's  
> "personal site" (put up in service of a community) and hopefully now  
> that he has come clean and "owned" that it is "his" this will help  
> our clients showing up on it thinking it is "THE worldwide home of  
> Open Space Technology" to realize that it is just one guys site.
>
>
> There are now many more collaborative community tool's that have  
> evolved in 10 years and I think we as a community should be using  
> them together.  The web changed and the world wide home of open  
> space should change too.
>
>
> UseMod, the wiki software used by both MeatBallWiki and  
> OpenSpaceWorld.NET, is open source, very simple, and super easy to  
> install and maintain. It's one of my favorite wiki systems for those  
> reasons. It was created 10 years ago and hence its syntax and style  
> are reminiscent of the original wiki.
>
> Yes - so it is fine for technie nerds like your self to "learn how  
> to edit" but not for regular folks here on OS land.
> If we installed media wiki and people learned the syntax for that -  
> they could actually use it may other places including the whole  
> universe of media wiki sites.
>
>
> had no trouble logging in and making some edits this evening (just  
> to add my name page). I went and looked at the website for that  
> Planet Planet feed aggregator you mentioned, to see how easy it is  
> to install, and there's no obvious documentation -- at first I could  
> only see some links to sync from their code repository, until on  
> third or fourth reading I noticed links to some tarballs. And this  
> is what you want Michael to install when you don't even know how  
> yourself?
>
> Because I am part of a really amazing technical community that uses  
> it to stay connected and thing it would be good for this community -  
> why not recommend it to Michael for this community.  Saying I should  
> know how to install it to make the recomendation doesn't make any  
> sense.
>
>
> Having gone through the pain of installing software too many times,  
> these days my first choice is definitely to go with a fully-hosted  
> and ad-supported system. It's definitely important to be able to  
> backup the data, though, so any guidance you can offer about who  
> supports what is extremely valuable. Also, the web search rankings  
> are indeed quite changeable -- in fact, redesigning a successful  
> site to make it more "beautiful" can easily knock it off the top if  
> you're not careful. I've seen it happen, and it's no fun.
>
> Yes - I know search engine rankings are movable.
>
> BTW The wikipedia article also says this....in external links. ...
>
> "openspaceworld.org" Supporting and supported by Open Space  
> practitioners worldwide. The site offers materials (or links to  
> materials) in 20 different languages. Includes the primary website  
> of the Open Space Institute USA.
>
> I wonder if someone from the OSI-USA board can speak to the fact  
> that Micheal's personal site is considered their primary website.
>
>
> I do think we can make a new and better real home for the world wide  
> community to connect and share about this amazing practice we share.
>
> -Kaliya
>
>
>
> Please keep pushing for improvement and openness... And keep  
> breathing, too.
>
> With gentle respect,
> Justin
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