Anti Laws of OST
Arno Baltin
arno at tlu.ee
Mon May 25 23:09:42 PDT 2009
Thank you Andrew
for the link to timeparadoxes.
Some time related parables from author (J.Rubenis)I like:
Time walks. Fools run.
Speed slows down the race of life.
To be ahead of time is to be late.
A joke (?):
When time comes, you have to go.
Time is honey.
If to speculate about Zimbardos time perspectives and OS, could be that
when opening space we (i) try to enter Hedonistic Present (The Now) for
changing Past Negative to Future (Positive)= Hedonistic Present.
And this could be another joke as well :)
with best regards,
Arno Baltin
> Thanks Harrison.
>
>
>
> I must confess that my interest really isn't in whether the 4 principles
> are
> principles or laws.
>
>
>
> Having recently read Phil Zimbardo's time paradox I couldn't but help to
> see
> how all 4 "principles" seem to relate to time.
>
>
>
> One of Zimbardo's interesting writings is around how we (often without
> knowing it) carry around with us a time perspective. The time perspectives
> he talks about are:
>
>
>
> 1. Future (The well known westerner approach to planning and all things
> about the future)
> 2. Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now)
> 3. Present Fatalistic (It's going to happen anyway)
> 4. Past Positive (Gratitude)
> 5. Past Negative (Woe to me)
>
>
>
> Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most "healthy" ?
>
>
>
> Zimbardo's answer is we (especially in the west) need to be Highly Past
> Positive.
>
>
>
> You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you're living in
> here:
>
>
>
> http://www.thetimeparadox.com/
>
>
>
> Know any jokes about time? :-)
>
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Andrew
>
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> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Harrison
> Owen
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST
>
>
>
> Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one law
> are neither laws nor principles actually. To be honest they are just my
> (and
> others') observations of what seemed to be happening in any case. In a
> word
> they are descriptive as opposed to descriptive - You could say it is all a
> joke. Rather like "technology" in the phrase Open Space Technology. The
> joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny - because somehow or
> another truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows
> that
> what happens in Open Space simply can't happen. Unfortunately it does -
> and
> that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff - like most of what
> we
> think we know about meetings, the management of meetings, and management
> itself. Double trouble!!
>
>
>
> Harrison
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Derrick
> Mathews
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST
>
>
>
> Hi Andrew
>
>
>
> I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the principles.
>
>
>
> First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the most important concept
> here)-organisation which involved participation or non-participation which
> involves human choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach (Que Serra,
> Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's not ours to see, que serra,
> serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song lol) your choice to let
> things happen is an intervention and so you have influenced the process
> making what happens the only thing that could have.
>
>
>
> If you do not turn up then you have had an influence of non-influence on
> the process and outcome so you have been involved and have been part of
> the
> right people.
>
>
>
> What ever happens is the only thing as if you are "involved" your
> involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are
> "involved"
> via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a different way and as I
> stated
> above what then happens is the only thing that could have.
>
>
>
> Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice to start it and
> you
> are "involved" or "not" which still has impact and similarly it's over
> because there is a choice made that it is over via group consensus or an
> individual's choice that for them it is over.
>
>
>
> Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and what we choose to
> do
> or not do, ripples out to affect all around us.
>
>
>
> We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive way.
>
>
>
> Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion.
>
>
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>
> And on another thread, where are the most unusual places that folks know
> OST
> has happened?
>
>
>
> I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great group of young
> people (that's anyone younger than me) from about 9 different parts of
> Europe who had come together In Londonderry to be involved in an
> Up-cycling
> project of Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS.
>
>
>
> One participant selected the swimming pool as an additional breakout space
> and it was one of the best attended sessions with the details of the
> conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the water.
>
>
>
> Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;
>
> Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have happened
>
>
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>
>
> Regards
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>
> Derrick
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> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Rixon
> Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Anti Laws of OST
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> Recently I've been pondering / wondering about what might be the Anti-laws
> of OST.
>
>
>
> For instance.
>
>
>
> "What isn't happening are all the things that should be"
>
>
>
> Or
>
>
>
> "What didn't happen are all the things that should have"
>
>
>
> As opposed to.
>
>
>
> "Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or did"
>
>
>
> What are your thoughts on other "complimentary" anti-laws? :-)
>
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
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> Andrew Rixon PhD
> Director
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>
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> conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
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