Seeds of self-organisation

Wed May 20 11:26:01 PDT 2009

Harrison,

How do you view coercion?  "Force is not the way at all," enjoins Lao
Tzu.  But my own experience is that those of us who smell & allow the
flowers to bloom are subject to others who prefer to push the river.
They may/often fail, eventually.  They affect a lot, now.

Best,
John

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On May 20, 2009, at 5:19 AM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:

> Christy -- I hate to seem like piling on -- but from where I sit self
> organization is well beyond the seeding stage. It is in full bloom
> and has
> been for 13.7 billion years. It is just that some people won't stop
> to smell
> the flowers. Their loss.
>
> Harrison
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> Dear Christine,
> I intrigued myself with your images:
> unleashing self-organisation, stuffing the genie back into the bottle,
> seeds taking root...
> Even though I assume to understand what you mean, it struck me that I
> want to be more clear on the following:
> - there is no way to "leash" self organisation
> - its never been in a bottle
> - its already deeply rooted, regardless of how much control or
> ignoring
> is employed.
> I know that an OST event can be shut down hard and quick when control
> takes hold but, of course, self-organisation will not be shut down.
> To me, these "subtleties" are important, because I humble myself with
> them and liberate myself from wanting to figure out the system or
> being
> attached to outcome...helping me to focus ("simply")on attempting to
> hold time and space.
> Greetings from Berlin where the first radishes of the year found their
> way from our garden to the kitchen table today...
> mmp
>
> Christine Whitney Sanchez wrote:
>> John & Rory,
> ......
>>
>> John, what is also of interest to me is when the sponsors seem to be
>> ready to unleash self-organization and once the genie is out of the
>> bottle, want to try to stuff it back in.  In those cases, I watch for
>> where the self-organization seeds have taken root, even if the formal
>> system seems to be ignoring them.
>>
>> Thanks for the great discussion.
>>
>> Warm wishes from toasty Phoenix,
>>
>> Christine
>>
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>> On May 14, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Rory O'Connor wrote:
>>
>> Hi John & Christine,
>>
>> I'm probably more practised in Spiral Dynamics that OST - which is
>> not
>> saying a whole lot. What I thought Spiral Dynamics could bring to OST
>> was insight into how we might engage with people at all stages of the
>> process - from forming the theme i.e. someone living in CO/Red Life
>> conditions is not going to want to sit around and reach consensus
>> on a
>> theme. Likewise, DP/Blue and ER/Orange are probably going to have
>> different questions that need to be answered in order to feel
>> comfortable with the process. I do find that people living in FS/
>> Green
>> are probably most open to Open Space because of the emphasis on
>> valuing
>> other human beings. GT/Yellow might use it if/when it is
>> appropriate to
>> the Life Conditions of the people they are working with. They may opt
>> for something else if THAT is what is required.
>>
>> It's not to say that OST would not work, it's just that how it's
>> introduced may need to be tweaked. And again, my caveat on all this
>> is
>> that I have only facilitated a handful of OST events
>>
>> I'd love to explore more about how both OST and Spiral Dynamics might
>> inform each other, and look forward to your response.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>> On 14 May 2009, at 15:52, Christine Whitney Sanchez wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> I suspect many of us on the list have "dabbled in Spiral Dynamics".
>>> I've seen OST as a second tier methodology that works all the way
>>> down
>>> the spiral.  How about you?
>>>
>>> Warm wishes on this beautiful Phoenix morning,
>>>
>>> Christine
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>>> On May 13, 2009, at 12:33 PM, John Rapp wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael/Peggy & fellow OSTers -- I've used OS/WR principles for many
>>> years in my work, which is mainly in & around law firms.  I did 2
>>> major open spaces, both for 100 so people, in Jakarta (1999) and
>>> Taipei (2002).  Both were very successful on the day, and sources of
>>> sadness after, as the "powers" chose to ignore 99% of what came up.
>>>
>>> I want to try again, as one of my personal missions is improve the
>>> world by changing the practice of law/yers.  I'd love to help, and
>>> hear others' experiences with law.  And anyone who has dabbled in
>>> Spiral Dynamics in this context would pique interest too.
>>>
>>> Best
>>> John
>>>
>>> On May 9, 2009, at 10:55 PM, Peggy Holman
>>> <peggy at opencirclecompany.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael,
>>>>
>>>> I did an OS with a law firm a few years ago.  It included all of
>>>> the
>>>> support staff and none of the attorneys.  It was a productive,
>>>> successful meeting for them.  The main thing I'd say is that we
>>>> were
>>>> a strange cultural mix.  They never really felt that comfortable
>>>> with
>>>> me, but they sure liked the experience.  As an example of the
>>>> cultural challenge, I often suggest a few minutes of silence when a
>>>> group gets together at the end of the day or on the second morning.
>>>> This is one of the few groups that made it clear that this didn't
>>>> work for them.  It just made them uncomfortable.  So, after
>>>> trying it
>>>> once, we simply got on to talking about the day.
>>>>
>>>> Peggy
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________
>>>> Peggy Holman
>>>> The Open Circle Company
>>>> 15347 SE 49th Place
>>>> Bellevue, WA  98006
>>>> 425-746-6274
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>>>>
>>>> For the new edition of The Change Handbook, go to:
>>>> www.bkconnection.com/ChangeHandbook
>>>>
>>>> "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not
>>>> get
>>>> burnt, is to become
>>>> the fire".
>>>> -- Drew Dellinger
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 30, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Michael Wood wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am talking with a bunch of lawyers in a couple of weeks about
>>>>> "sustainability" in the legal profession. i.e. sustainability of
>>>>> the
>>>>> lawyers themselves since they often seem to work under such
>>>>> punishing conditions - depression on the increase etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any stories out there about use of Open Space in law firms?
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Wood
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