REFLECTIONS ON MY FIRST OPEN SPACE
JL Walker
jlwalker at terra.cl
Fri Jul 10 16:01:07 PDT 2009
My dear Michael, are you saying that our listserv is the best and that it
accept all languages like the tower of babel? Can I stop here been eager for
my own codes? Could be that the intention is what really matters?
JL
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Enviado el: viernes, 10 de julio de 2009 16:31
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Asunto: Re: [OSLIST] REFLECTIONS ON MY FIRST OPEN SPACE
Lieber Juan Luis Walker,
mach es einfach auf Spanisch genau hier in unserem listserve. Das ewige
Englisch ist doch stinklangweilig.
Greetings from cold Berlin to cold Santiago de Chile
mmp
JL Walker wrote:
> Congratulations Eleder, I think that you did it too fine!
>
> I invite you if you want and can, to have a direct conversation in Spanish
> at juanluiswalker at gmail.com
>
> For me it's much more easier that way.
>
>>>From a cold Santiago de Chile,
>
>
>
> Juan Luis Walker
>
> www.espacioabierto.net
>
>
>
> De: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] En nombre de ELEDER
> AURTENETXE PILDAIN
> Enviado el: viernes, 10 de julio de 2009 3:21
> Para: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Asunto: [OSLIST] REFLECTIONS ON MY FIRST OPEN SPACE
>
>
>
> Hello, bright summer morning here in Bilbao. How are you?
> I'm writing some lines now to report on my first OS experience (Monday,
> 2009/6/29).
> Thanks for your attention, beforehand.
>
>
> Overall, the event ran ok, and first time is usually harder, isn't it?
>
> I've realised some things to improve, though, and some doubts have also
> aroused. First I'll say that my first OS
> was, maybe, a bit artificial (nine people interested in creativity and not
> knowing each other before - 3 exceptions -
> were invited to build some knowledge about it, with these questions:
>
> "CREATIVITY (ability to create). It is useful in education, anyone's
> life, the arts, enterprises,...
> * is there a way to improve it?
> * are techniques really useful. Which ones and in which ways? "
>
> I'll search the OST files about them, but here some of my thoughts:
>
> 1. Not too hot topic. No real deadline. RESULT: Tension was lacking....
> but it worked as a tool.
> People got involved in real conversations and written reports were
> distributed in the afternoon.
> The day after we commented on the experience itself, and people found it
> useful...
> but next times I'll only use it in more real issues and more suitable
> conditions.
>
> 2. The law of two feet wasn't almost really used (although it was
> extensively explained at the beginnig).
>
> Afterwards I was explained that they wouldn't feel comfortable doing so
> because of habits, believes,...
> It helped me understand this behaviour and realising that, next times,
it'll
> have to be more stressed in the opening.
>
> But, besides it, should the facilitator remind it to people DURING the OS
is
> running?
>
> 3. LUNCH TIME:
> We had lunch together (unless one fellow that got home and back with us
> after lunch). How should the facilitator behave meanwhile?
>
> Conversations were the typical of a learning group, not directly regarding
> the issues spoken in the OS. I suppose it is quite normal.
> Should/Could the facilitator, maybe, be apart at lunch time?
>
> 4. I read "OST user's guide" to try to visualise my behaviour after
opening
> space and holding space during the meetings.
> But still I felt sometimes uncomfortable not knowing how to behave. Trying
> to do nothing, not thinking, just being at hand,...
>
> Would it be OK, for example, me just listening to a any group's
> conversation?
>
> I was appart all the time but quite near, I sometimes felt they could be
> thinking
> I was some kind of spy :-),... I went off... came back afterwards, I
avoided
> to get in contact with the stuff people for other subjects I had to deal
> with,
> I would then start thinking they were all thinking "what a witty guy,
> he just put the people working, now he's just wandering and will be
charging
> us for it!" :-)...
>
> 5. Would it be ok if I disappeared for a time to do something of my
> business?
> (I guess not because this would involve being absent for a while)...
>
> I'll reread the user's guide and the ost-list for this issue, no doubt,...
>
> 6. After proposing a discussion subject and having a group formed, being
> part of the agenda, the one who had called for it
> said she wouldn't write the report (she wasn't good at it). I suggested
she
> could have someone else of the group write it.
>
> At last the group discussed about the specific subject ("creativity and
> physical movement") but no report was raised.
> I let it be and pointed that due to it the people that weren't engaged in
> this discussion would not know much about it
> (the real aim of writing reports).
>
> Next meetings finished with their reports written.
>
> Any other ideas about how I could have behaved?
>
> 7. Another question (the answer of which I can guess :-):
>
> would it be ok if I had a small Mind-Map with the main points
> I wouldn't anyway want to forget to explain in the opening?
> I found myself realising having forgot to say something
> and saying it afterwards,... although there was no big trouble about it.
>
> 8. An organisation issue. As the place would be open just one hour before
> beginning the OS,
> I made the preparation in the hotel the day before, and was a bit uneasy
> this morning.
> I suppose it would have been better leaving the main things prepared on
> Friday evening
> (the OS started on Monday morning and I wasn't let enter the place during
> the weekend).
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Eleder Aurtenetxe Pildain
> BILBAO
> BM31
> www.burumapak.blogspot.com
>
>
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>From Sun Jul 12 18:55:06 2009
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Subject: Re: Summer reading list
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Phelim--
Many thanks! I will look into it.
:- Doug.
On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 22:59 -0400, Phelim wrote:
> Not a novel but just a few pages in helping me open space on Broadway!
>
>
> "In Pursuit if Elegance"
> Why the best ideas have something missing.
>
>
>
> Matthew E May
>
>
> Phelim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2 Jul 2009, at 18:48, John Rapp <jfs.rapp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Slowness, by Milan Kundera.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Nancy White <nancy.white at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > I'd recommend Red Tails In Love by Marie Winn. While it is
> > not a novel, it is a great story about community and self
> > organizing. I wrote about it here:
> > http://www.fullcirc.com/wp/2009/03/26/red-tails-in-love-birdwatchers-as-a-community-of-practice/
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:14 AM, douglas germann
> > <76066.515 at compuserve.com> wrote:
> > Hi Space Dancers!
> >
> > Got any recommendations for this summer's reading
> > list? I'm particularly
> > interested in novels that might have wisdom for OS
> > and conversational
> > playing.
> >
> > I offer this novel as great reading--
> >
> > Lawrence Thornton, Imagining Argentina
> >
> > :- Doug.
> >
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>From Sun Jul 12 19:00:24 2009
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Ralph--
Thanks for your recommendation, Ralph.
And I have no objection to you reading (or recommending books to read)
during other seasons!
:- Doug.
On Fri, 2009-07-03 at 08:58 -0400, Ralph Copleman wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
> I've never understood the distinction between "summer reading" and
> reading done during other seasons. Perhaps, because I don't like
> spending time on the beach, I have never really had a specifically
> summer-ish reading experience. Nevertheless I shall await suggestions
> on this topic with interest. Good novels are great treasures. And I
> throw in this recommendation: Prodigal Summer by the American writer
> Barbara Kingsolver. I'd be happy to give away my copy to anyone who
> requests it.
>
>
> On the topic of how we foster sustainable OS outcomes, my
> first reaction is, we can't. Perhaps I misunderstand, but I believe
> it is not up to me (as a facilitator) to foster anything. I open
> space, hold space, and close space. That's all I can do. Unless I'm
> consulting to a system over a longer period than actual OS event, I
> have no other responsibility. And even then, I'm not sure my job is
> any different.
>
>
> Ralph Copleman
>
>
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>From Sun Jul 12 19:03:21 2009
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Justin--
Thanks for recommending this--sounds like a classic!
:- Doug.
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 12:05 -0700, Justin T. Sampson wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> Michael -- I love you! You miserable old iconoclast (MOI). You
> are miserable
> because you make me laugh, Old -- because you and I are almost
> of an age.
> And an iconoclast because you are a blood brother. The circle
> of MOI's is
> actually a large one, but the membership is strictly
> controlled, and access
> granted only to those with the proper thought forms and secret
> handshakes.
> And since all thought forms are suspect, this is a great
> difficulty for The
> Circle. How on earth do you determine somebody to be a heretic
> when
> everybody is?? But our tribe increases!
>
> Reminds me of another good book... Heretics, by G.K. Chesterton.
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=Sw0XAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA11
>
> Quoting:
>
> "Nothing more strangely indicates an enormous and silent evil of
> modern society than the extraordinary use which is made nowadays of
> the word 'orthodox.' In former days the heretic was proud of not being
> a heretic. It was the kingdoms of the world and the police and the
> judges who were heretics. He was orthodox. He had no pride in having
> rebelled against them; they had rebelled against him. The armies with
> their cruel security, the kings with their cold faces, the decorous
> processes of State, the reasonable processes of law -- all these like
> sheep had gone astray. The man was proud of being orthodox, was proud
> of being right. If he stood alone in a howling wilderness he was more
> than a man; he was a church. He was the centre of the universe; it was
> round him that the stars swung. All the tortures torn out of forgotten
> hells could not make him admit that he was heretical. But a few modern
> phrases have made him boast of it. He says, with a conscious laugh, 'I
> suppose I am very heretical,' and looks round for applause. The word
> 'heresy' not only means no longer being wrong; it practically means
> being clear-headed and courageous. The word 'orthodoxy' not only no
> longer means being right; it practically means being wrong. All this
> can mean one thing, and one thing only. It means that people care less
> for whether they are philosophically right. For obviously a man ought
> to confess himself crazy before he confesses himself heretical. The
> Bohemian, with a red tie, ought to pique himself on his orthodoxy. The
> dynamiter, laying a bomb, ought to feel that, whatever else he is, at
> least he is orthodox."
>
> Cheers,
> Justin
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