OSLIST Digest - 8 Dec 2009 to 9 Dec 2009 (#2009-330)

Skye Hirst skyeh at midcoast.com
Thu Dec 10 06:56:52 PST 2009


I love you all, it's such a pleasure to be part of this amazing process and
it just keeps getting better and better as everyone adds their point of
view, wisdom of crowds clearly at work.  I'm learning and learning from each
comment.  Skye Hirst


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> Topics of the day:
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>   1. Less
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> Date:    Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:03:46 -0500
> From:    Diane Gibeault <diane.gibeault at rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: Less
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> Hi Ralph,
> 
> =20
> 
> It=92s pretty inspiring to see you letting go of one more thing as you =
> are
> writing about doing less. I want to say more about doing less and
> experimenting before sharing later another personal example of letting =
> go
> that is fresh from this week.=20
> 
> =20
> 
> The basics of Open Space are solid and simple and it=92s those qualities =
> that
> make it so very powerful. I do believe that the less it=92s tinkered =
> with, the
> better the results are. Is this being too rigid?=20
> 
> =20
> 
> Last week when sharing a story about my letting go of an add-on practice =
> in
> OS, I picked up the term =91OpenSpacism=92 from a previous List =
> conversation
> around evolution on the understanding of the OS basics and their
> application. In my mind, at that time =96too late at night for my own =
> good =96
> the =91ism=92 word was not a criticism but a challenge, an invitation to =
> allow
> people to experiment a bit so they can get to a place of deeper learning
> about the basic guiding principles and practices of OS. =20
> 
> =20
> 
> In that spirit, I pressed =91Send=92 but the next day, I realized that I =
> would
> have preferred a title like =91Experimenting to understand OS=92 rather =
> than
> =91Open spacism=92 that could be taken as a criticism of those who =
> believe in
> preserving the strength of the OS basics by generally keeping them clear =
> of
> modifications.
> 
> =20
> 
> We all need to experiment and that=92s a good learning practice. When we
> discover for ourselves (Ralph you describe that as working ourselves out =
> of
> chaos), we integrate better, we understand in a deeper way the =
> subtleties of
> the applications and we are more effective in communicating =
> possibilities.
> It=92s important nevertheless to maintain critical thinking around
> modifications or additions made to the OS method.
> 
> =20
> 
> Add-ons activities usually come from client demands. I work very hard in
> those situations at verifying whose needs are met by this, at =
> understanding
> why that need exists, at searching with the client for alternatives to =
> meet
> their needs without reducing the space, and at explaining how Open Space =
> can
> bring the organization to best meet its goal and usually surpass
> expectations if given the appropriate space.=20
> 
> =20
> 
> Add-ons, process types, may come from facilitators wanting to have a =
> more
> active role, the way it used to be or from facilitators who like to play =
> and
> create new designs. Experiencing more than once, the basic Open Space as =
> a
> participant truly interested in a theme may help facilitators better
> understand the strength of the OST process and reduce the temptation to
> add-on to it.=20
> 
> =20
> 
> Examples where a different type of intervention surrounding OS is =
> important
> do exist but in my view, they are more in the category of exceptions. =
> One
> that comes to mind is a story told by Harrison or someone else during my =
> OST
> training. It was about holding separate interviews with natural leaders =
> of
> strongly opposing clans to help them name what they and their group =
> needed
> to feel safe for an open space with both factions. Another more recent
> approach that could be offered in such a context is the pair-interviews
> before opening space (the 1st step of Appreciative Inquiry =96 an =
> approach
> that is based on values similar to those underlying Open Space).=20
> 
> =20
> 
> Flexibility in linking OS to other activities and processes can allow =
> the
> opening of =93some amount of space=94. I do ask myself the hard =
> question: =93by
> accepting to open a smaller space, am I preventing people, the client =
> and
> the organization from going deeper at another opportunity?=94  On the =
> other
> hand, sometimes a little space may give a taste for more, we hope. I =
> still
> try to keep add-ons and adjustments=92 as a solution of last resort or =
> as
> separate activities at different times.=20
> 
> =20
> 
> Why adjustments are a solution of last resort for me? My first
> responsibility as an OST facilitator in my view is protecting the =
> maximum
> time-space for participants to self-organize and reflect about what =
> matters
> most to them. Time and free choice is what they generally say they liked =
> and
> benefitted the most from in OS events and when OS is tinkered with, the =
> loss
> of =91their=92 time is usually what they criticize most strongly. The =
> greater
> the space, the deeper is the experience and the stronger the learning =
> and
> consequently, the results.=20
> 
> =20
> 
> For over 25 years I experienced many approaches including OST which I =
> have
> used over and over again in the last 13 years. My observation throughout
> those years is that by itself, with no add-ons, generally OS gives =
> people
> the highest level of satisfaction and allows them to experience a really
> different and usually better way of being, of doing and of reaching =
> their
> objectives.=20
> 
> =20
> 
> The true empowerment and the quality of relationships that emerge with
> self-organization =96 the basis of Open Space =96 seem like very potent =
> seeds
> for ongoing transformation at some level if not at all levels of an
> organization as well as on the personal level.=20
> 
> =20
> 
> No wonder that opening space has become a way of being and doing, of =
> choice
> for me. Thank you again Harrison for that beautiful gift that keeps on
> giving.
> 
> =20
> 
> Diane
> 
> =20
> 
> =20
> 
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Ralph
> Copleman
> Sent: 8 d=E9cembre 2009 08:38
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: [OSLIST] Less
> 
> =20
> 
> A long time ago, I learned from reading an article by Malcolm Knowles =
> that
> adults learn best when they have the opportunity to work themselves out =
> of
> chaos.  Then the work they do and the lesson they learn feel more =
> "owned" to
> them.  This makes sense to me, so I never use a grid.  I divide the wall =
> by
> days and also by morning and afternoon.  Perhaps in the name of doing =
> one
> less thing I shall drop the latter.
> 
> =20
> 
> My instinct to think up ways to be helpful is waning.  I no longer =
> consider
> it impolite, unwelcoming, unloving, or hard-edged of me to do less for
> people in OS events.
> 
> =20
> 
> One of my favorite occurrences in OS is watching what happens when =
> someone
> arrives late.  They rarely come to me to ask what to do because they =
> were
> not present to see me do the opening and thus have no idea who I am.  So
> they go to someone they know.  Ever see this happen?  Watch.  The
> conversation is always very brief, then the newcomer nods, and everybody
> goes about their business.
> 
> =20
> 
> I keep imagining that some day I'll be able to do the whole opening with =
> no
> words and just a few hand signals.
> 
> =20
> 
> Ralph Copleman
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> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi
> Ralph,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
> o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>It’s
> pretty inspiring to see you letting go of one more thing as you are =
> writing
> about doing less. I want to say more about doing less and experimenting =
> before
> sharing later another personal example of letting go that is fresh from =
> this
> week. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
> o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The
> basics of Open Space are solid and simple and it’s those qualities =
> that
> make it so very powerful. I do believe that the less it’s tinkered =
> with,
> the better the results are. Is this being too rigid? =
> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
> o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Last
> week when sharing a story about my letting go of an add-on practice in =
> OS, I
> picked up the term ‘OpenSpacism’ from a previous List =
> conversation around
> evolution on the understanding of the OS basics and their application. =
> In my
> mind, at that time –too late at night for my own good – the
> ‘ism’ word was not a criticism but a challenge, an =
> invitation to
> allow people to experiment a bit so they can get to a place of deeper =
> learning
> about the basic guiding principles and practices of OS.=A0 =
> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
> o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>In
> that spirit, I pressed ‘Send’ but the next day, I realized =
> that I
> would have preferred a title like ‘Experimenting to understand =
> OS’
> rather than ‘Open spacism’ that could be taken as a =
> criticism of
> those who believe in preserving the strength of the OS basics by =
> generally
> keeping them clear of modifications.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
> o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>We
> all need to experiment and that’s a good learning practice. When =
> we
> discover for ourselves (Ralph you describe that as <i>working ourselves =
> out of
> chaos</i>), we integrate better, we understand in a deeper way the =
> subtleties
> of the applications and we are more effective in communicating =
> possibilities.
> It’s important nevertheless to maintain critical thinking around
> modifications or additions made to the OS method.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>=A0<o:p></o:p=
>> </span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Add-ons
> activities usually come from client demands. I work very hard in those
> situations at verifying whose needs are met by this, at understanding =
> why that
> need exists, at searching with the client for alternatives to meet their =
> needs
> without reducing the space, and at explaining how Open Space can bring =
> the
> organization to best meet its goal and usually surpass expectations if =
> given
> the appropriate space. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
> o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Add-ons,
> process types, may come from facilitators wanting to have a more active =
> role,
> the way it used to be or from facilitators who like to play and create =
> new
> designs. Experiencing more than once, the basic Open Space as a =
> participant
> truly interested in a theme may help facilitators better understand the
> strength of the OST process and reduce the temptation to add-on to it. =
> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
> o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Examples
> where a different type of intervention surrounding OS is important do =
> exist but
> in my view, they are more in the category of exceptions. One that comes =
> to mind
> is a story told by Harrison or someone else during my OST training. It =
> was
> about holding separate interviews with natural leaders of strongly =
> opposing
> clans to help them name what they and their group needed to feel safe =
> for an
> open space with both factions. Another more recent approach that could =
> be
> offered in such a context is the pair-interviews before opening space =
> (the 1<sup>st</sup>
> step of Appreciative Inquiry – an approach that is based on values
> similar to those underlying Open Space). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
> o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Flexibility
> in linking OS to other activities and processes can allow the opening of
> “some amount of space”. I do ask myself the hard question:
> “by accepting to open a smaller space, am I preventing people, the =
> client
> and the organization from going deeper at another opportunity?”=A0 =
> On the
> other hand, sometimes a little space may give a taste for more, we hope. =
> I
> still try to keep add-ons and adjustments’ as a solution of last =
> resort
> or as separate activities at different times. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
> o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Why
> adjustments are a solution of last resort for me? My first =
> responsibility as an
> OST facilitator in my view is protecting the maximum time-space for
> participants to self-organize and reflect about what matters most to =
> them. Time
> and free choice is what they generally say they liked and benefitted the =
> most from
> in OS events and when OS is tinkered with, the loss of =
> ‘their’ time
> is usually what they criticize most strongly. The greater the space, the =
> deeper
> is the experience and the stronger the learning and consequently, the =
> results. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
> o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>For
> over 25 years I experienced many approaches including OST which I have =
> used
> over and over again in the last 13 years. My observation throughout =
> those years
> is that by itself, with no add-ons, generally OS gives people the =
> highest level
> of satisfaction and allows them to experience a really different and =
> usually better
> way of being, of doing and of reaching their objectives. =
> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
> o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The
> true empowerment and the quality of relationships that emerge with
> self-organization – the basis of Open Space – seem like very =
> potent
> seeds for ongoing transformation at some level if not at all levels of =
> an
> organization as well as on the personal level. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
> o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>No
> wonder that opening space has become a way of being and doing, of choice =
> for
> me. Thank you again Harrison for that beautiful gift that keeps on =
> giving.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
> o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Diane</span><=
> o:p></o:p></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
> o:p></span></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
> o:p></span></p>
> 
> <div>
> 
> <div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
> 0cm 0cm 0cm'>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
> </b><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> OSLIST
> [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ralph =
> Copleman<br>
> <b>Sent:</b> 8 d=E9cembre 2009 08:38<br>
> <b>To:</b> OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
> <b>Subject:</b> [OSLIST] Less<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> 
> </div>
> 
> </div>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal>A long time ago, I learned from reading an article =
> by
> Malcolm Knowles that adults learn best when they have the opportunity to =
> work
> themselves out of chaos.  Then the work they do and the lesson they =
> learn
> feel more "owned" to them.  This makes sense to me, so I =
> never
> use a grid.  I divide the wall by days and also by morning and =
> afternoon.
>  Perhaps in the name of doing one less thing I shall drop the =
> latter.<o:p></o:p></p>
> 
> <div>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
> 
> </div>
> 
> <div>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal>My instinct to think up ways to be helpful is =
> waning.
>  I no longer consider it impolite, unwelcoming, unloving, or =
> hard-edged of
> me to do less for people in OS events.<o:p></o:p></p>
> 
> </div>
> 
> <div>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
> 
> </div>
> 
> <div>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal>One of my favorite occurrences in OS is watching =
> what
> happens when someone arrives late.  They rarely come to me to ask =
> what to
> do because they were not present to see me do the opening and thus have =
> no idea
> who I am.  So they go to someone they know.  Ever see this =
> happen?
>  Watch.  The conversation is always <i>very</i> brief, =
> then the
> newcomer nods, and everybody goes about their business.<o:p></o:p></p>
> 
> </div>
> 
> <div>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
> 
> </div>
> 
> <div>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal>I keep imagining that some day I'll be able to do =
> the whole
> opening with no words and just a few hand signals.<o:p></o:p></p>
> 
> </div>
> 
> <div>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
> 
> </div>
> 
> <div>
> 
> <p class=3DMsoNormal>Ralph Copleman<o:p></o:p></p>
> 
> </div>
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