Open Space World Map expanding

Michael M Pannwitz mmpanne at boscop.org
Tue Aug 11 08:32:53 PDT 2009


Dear colleagues worldwide, all 623 of you,
as the keeper of the map I happily welcome 4 new colleagues that 
included themselves almost simultaneously from 3 continents:
Lesley Simons from Australia, Ria Baeck from Belgium, Rory O'Connor from 
the United Kingdom and Suzanne Daigle from the United States of America.
Have a look at them
> http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/

If they live in your neighborhood, invite them to you next Stammtisch or 
Learning Exchange or Open Space on Open Space or ....and, of course, 
keep feeling invited to show yourself on the world map.

Greetings from Berlin
mmp

-- 
Michael M Pannwitz, boscop eg
Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
++49-30-772 8000
mmpanne at boscop.org
www.boscop.org


Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 447 resident Open 
Space Workers in 72 countries working in a total of 141 countries worldwide
Have a look:
www.openspaceworldmap.org

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>From  Tue Aug 11 09:25:40 2009
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:25:40 -0700
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To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
From: Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Why is a grid sometimes useful?
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Late to the grid talk...
By default I don't use a grid.  What I like about the gridless setup is tha=
t
it gives the control freaks something to do.  It's hard enough being in the
chaos of space opening - many type A personalities feel helpless.  When the
come to the wall, it has often been my experience that they take charge and
organize things by time, sometimes lining up the posters very nicely.  As a
ritual it seems to calm them down and ground them and it gives the message
that this is truly a day owned by the group.

And more often than not, folks just get along fine with the collage.

But there is another way I have done things, especially when the start and
finish times are likely to shift (in indigenous communities things can star=
t
a lot later than is scheduled.)  Instead of writing times and spaces on
dozens of post it notes, I just write the spaces and I place them on a big
poster that says the times.  If the times change, it's easy to just make a
new poster and cluster the little post-it notes around it.  If you colour
code the writing on the poster with the colour of the post it notes, it
makes it kinesthetically easier to see the pattern.

(I almost always use coloured post-it notes by the way, one colour for each
time slot).

Cheers,

Chris

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Peggy Holman <peggy at opencirclecompany.com>w=
rote:

> To grid or not to grid...
> For me, it depends.  Two circumstances lead me to offer more order.
>
> Size.  As the size of the group increases, there are more sessions to
> track.  With a larger group, I post times along the top of the agenda wal=
l.
>  Like Lisa, I often use different colors for different times.  When I did
> the OS for 2,100 street kids in Bogota, we set up a grid; each time had i=
ts
> own wall and we put the room numbers across the rows:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/78084501@N00/79452637/in/set-1700469/
>
> It just seemed the best way to support the crowd in finding sessions of
> interest.
>
> Culture.  The other circumstance in which I've used a grid is when the
> culture of the group seems to call for it.  As Kaliya noted, engineers se=
em
> more productive with a grid.  I think it is for them, one less thing.
>
> Speaking of culture, one of the most telling images for me is the OS of
> 2108 that Harrison and Michael did in Wurtzberg and the 2,100 street kids=
.
>  As people waited to announce their sessions in Germany, they were in a n=
eat
> line.  The street kids looked like a mob around Andres, who held the mic.
>  In both cases, it was orderly but the image was sure different!
>
> Wurzberg:  http://www.transformation.at//?art_id=3D46
> (pages 39-41)
>
>
> Colombia:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/78084501@N00/79454421/in/set-1700469/
>
> Peggy
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________
> Peggy Holman
> The Open Circle Company
> 15347 SE 49th Place
> Bellevue, WA  98006
> 425-746-6274
> www.opencirclecompany.com
> www.journalismthatmatters.org
>
> For the new edition of The Change Handbook, go to:
> www.bkconnection.com/ChangeHandbook
>
> "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not get
> burnt, is to become
> the fire".
>   -- Drew Dellinger
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 7, 2009, at 6:00 AM, Harrison Owen wrote:
>
> Artur =96 we will be looking forward to your return! And an odd thought
> passed through my muddled mind. It occurred to me, I think because you
> mentioned being an engineer that it might somehow appear that =93getting
> organized=94  and =93being organized=94 are somehow anathema to Open Spac=
e. It
> might even seem that I have implied as much =96 if so that would be a mas=
sive
> mistake on my part. The issue is not =93organization=94 =96 but who does =
it and
> when does it happen? The truth of the matter is that every Open Space is
> highly organized, usually more so than any facilitator or planning commit=
tee
> could ever imagine.
>
> Consider 2108 German psychiatrists X 236 concurrent sessions in an 8 hour
> period. That would take a planning committee years! And they would never =
get
> it right -- things would always be late, and great frustration would be a
> predictable outcome. In the instance, the people did it all themselves in
> something less than an hour and it all worked out perfectly including
> written reports for all or most of the sessions. Now Mr Engineer, Can you
> beat that? Just kidding J
>
> For me the real issue is efficiency and effectiveness =96 which are
> presumably positive values that all engineers will ascribe to. In that ca=
se
> the only question is how do you get there fastest and bestest? The curiou=
s
> answer would seem to be Do Less!
>
> Harrison
>
> Harrison Owen
> 189 Beaucaire Ave
> Camden, ME 04843
> 207-763-3261 (Summer)
> 301-365-2093 (Winter)
> Website www.openspaceworld.com
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> *From:* OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Art=
ur
> Silva
> *Sent:* Friday, August 07, 2009 6:57 AM
> *To:* OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: Why is a grid sometimes useful?
>
> Being out of my office with bad internet contact and short of time, I onl=
y
> red some of this rich exchange.
>
> I must say, like Bernd, that, probably because of my education as an
> engineer, I never thought about doing it without a grid. And living in a
> Chatolic country, even with a grid, most managers think that OST is too m=
uch
> for them...
>
> But then some coments from Harrison and Lisa make me think...
>
> I will continue to think, and after the 18th, with better conexion, I wil=
l
> coment something.
>
> But don=B4t ask me what ;-)
>
> Regards from the countryside somewhere in the north of Portugal
>
> Artur
>
> -----------
>
> --- On *Thu, 8/6/09, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Why is a grid sometimes useful?
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 5:17 AM
> Lesley, I think you got it! (=93It is my sense of things that the more we
> order=85.the more we take away from the process=85=85..however this can b=
e very
> uncomfortable for us(facilitator=94). It is all about organizing a self
> organizing system. Not only is that an oxymoron, but also of questionable
> intelligence =96 regardless of the alleged increase of comfort.
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
>
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Open Space Technology

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Late to the grid talk...<div><br></div><div>By default I don't use a gr=
id. =A0What I like about the gridless setup is that it gives the control fr=
eaks something to do. =A0It's hard enough being in the chaos of space o=
pening - many type A personalities feel helpless. =A0When the come to the w=
all, it has often been my experience that they take charge and organize thi=
ngs by time, sometimes lining up the posters very nicely. =A0As a ritual it=
 seems to calm them down and ground them and it gives the message that this=
 is truly a day owned by the group.</div>
<div><br></div><div>And more often than not, folks just get along fine with=
 the collage.</div><div><br></div><div>But there is another way I have done=
 things, especially when the start and finish times are likely to shift (in=
 indigenous communities things can start a lot later than is scheduled.) =
=A0Instead of writing times and spaces on dozens of post it notes, I just w=
rite the spaces and I place them on a big poster that says the times. =A0If=
 the times change, it's easy to just make a new poster and cluster the =
little post-it notes around it. =A0If you colour code the writing on the po=
ster with the colour of the post it notes, it makes it kinesthetically easi=
er to see the pattern. =A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>(I almost always use coloured post-it notes by the way,=
 one colour for each time slot).</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div=
><br></div><div>Chris<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 9, 2009=
 at 8:54 PM, Peggy Holman <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:peggy at ope=
ncirclecompany.com">peggy at opencirclecompany.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">To grid=
 or not to grid...<div><br></div><div>For me, it depends. =A0Two circumstan=
ces lead me to offer more order.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Size. =A0As the size of the group increases, there are =
more sessions to track. =A0With a larger group, I post times along the top =
of the agenda wall. =A0Like Lisa, I often use different colors for differen=
t times. =A0When I did the OS for 2,100 street kids in Bogota, we set up a =
grid; each time had its own wall and we put the room numbers across the row=
s:</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/78084501@N00/79452637/in/set-1=
700469/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/78084501@N00/794526=
37/in/set-1700469/</a></div><div><br></div><div>It just seemed the best way=
 to support the crowd in finding sessions of interest.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Culture. =A0The other circumstance in which I've us=
ed a grid is when the culture of the group seems to call for it. =A0As Kali=
ya noted, engineers seem more productive with a grid. =A0I think it is for =
them, one less thing.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Speaking of culture, one of the most telling images for=
 me is the OS of 2108 that Harrison and Michael did in Wurtzberg and the 2,=
100 street kids. =A0As people waited to announce their sessions in Germany,=
 they were in a neat line. =A0The street kids looked like a mob around Andr=
es, who held the mic. =A0In both cases, it was orderly but the image was su=
re different!</div>
<div><br></div><div>Wurzberg: =A0<a href=3D"http://www.transformation.at//?=
art_id=3D46" target=3D"_blank">http://www.transformation.at//?art_id=3D46</=
a></div><div>(pages 39-41)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Colombia=
:</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/78084501@N00/79454421/in/set-1=
700469/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/78084501@N00/794544=
21/in/set-1700469/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Peggy</div><div><br></div><=
div>
<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div> <span style=3D"font-size=
:12px"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span style=3D"border-collapse:s=
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etica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:norm=
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<div>______________________________</div><div>Peggy Holman</div><div>The Op=
en Circle Company</div><div>15347 SE 49th Place</div><div>Bellevue, WA =A09=
8006</div><div>425-746-6274</div><div><a href=3D"http://www.opencirclecompa=
ny.com" target=3D"_blank">www.opencirclecompany.com</a></div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.journalismthatmatters.org" target=3D"_blank">www=
.journalismthatmatters.org</a></div><div><div>=A0</div><div>For the new edi=
tion of The Change Handbook, go to:=A0<br><a href=3D"http://www.bkconnectio=
n.com/ChangeHandbook" target=3D"_blank">www.bkconnection.com/ChangeHandbook=
</a>=A0<br>
=A0<br>"An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and n=
ot get burnt, is to become=A0<br>the fire".<br>=A0 -- Drew Dellinger</=
div></div><div><br></div></div></span><br></div></span><br></div></span><br=
></div>
</span><br> </div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><div><div>On Aug 7,=
 2009, at 6:00 AM, Harrison Owen wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<span style=3D"border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Aria=
l;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal=
;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:auto;text-indent:0px;t=
ext-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div lang=3D"EN-US"=
 link=3D"#000000" vlink=3D"#000000">
<div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-fam=
ily:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font =
size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font=
-family:Arial;color:navy">Artur =96 we will be looking forward to your retu=
rn! And an odd thought passed through my muddled mind. It occurred to me, I=
 think because you mentioned being an engineer that it might somehow appear=
 that =93getting organized=94 =A0and =93being organized=94 are somehow anat=
hema to Open Space. It might even seem that I have implied as much =96 if s=
o that would be a massive mistake on my part. The issue is not =93organizat=
ion=94 =96 but who does it and when does it happen? The truth of the matter=
 is that every Open Space is highly organized, usually more so than any fac=
ilitator or planning committee could ever imagine.</span></font></div>
<div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:&=
#39;Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font size=
=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial;color:navy">=A0</span></font></div>
<div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:&=
#39;Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font size=
=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial;color:navy">Consider 2108 German psychiatrists X 236 concurrent s=
essions in an 8 hour period. That would take a planning committee years! An=
d they would never get it right -- things would always be late, and great f=
rustration would be a predictable outcome. In the instance, the people did =
it all themselves in something less than an hour and it all worked out perf=
ectly including written reports for all or most of the sessions. Now Mr Eng=
ineer, Can you beat that? Just kidding<span>=A0</span></span></font><font s=
ize=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Wingdings"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;f=
ont-family:Wingdings;color:navy">J</span></font><font size=3D"2" color=3D"n=
avy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:n=
avy"></span></font></div>
<div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:&=
#39;Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font size=
=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial;color:navy">=A0</span></font></div>
<div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:&=
#39;Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font size=
=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial;color:navy">For me the real issue is efficiency and effectiveness=
 =96 which are presumably positive values that all engineers will ascribe t=
o. In that case the only question is how do you get there fastest and beste=
st? The curious answer would seem to be Do Less!</span></font></div>
<div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:&=
#39;Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font size=
=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial;color:navy">=A0</span></font></div>
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#39;Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font size=
=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial;color:navy">Harrison</span></font></div>
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=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial;color:navy">Harrison Owen</span></font><font color=3D"navy"><span=
 style=3D"color:navy"></span></font></div>
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=A0</span>OSLIST<span>=A0</span>[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.B=
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=A0</span><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of<span>=A0</span><=
/span></b>Artur Silva<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b><span>=A0</span>Friday,=
 August 07, 2009 6:57 AM<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span><=
/b><span>=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target=
=3D"_blank">OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b><span>=A0</span>Re: =
Why is a grid sometimes useful?</span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-rig=
ht:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'=
;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=
=A0</span></font></div><table border=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D=
"0"><tbody><tr><td valign=3D"top" style=3D"padding-top:0in;padding-right:0i=
n;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:0in">
<div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-fam=
ily:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Being ou=
t of my office with bad internet contact and short of time, I only red some=
 of this rich exchange.</span></font></div>
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">=
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=
=A0</span></font></div>
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">=
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">I =
must say, like Bernd, that, probably because of my education as an engineer=
, I never thought about doing it without a grid. And living in a Chatolic c=
ountry, even with a grid, most managers think that OST is too much for them=
...</span></font></div>
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">=
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=
=A0</span></font></div>
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">=
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Bu=
t then some coments from Harrison and Lisa make me think...</span></font></=
div>
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">=
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=
=A0</span></font></div>
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">=
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">I =
will continue to think, and after the 18th, with better conexion, I will co=
ment something.</span></font></div>
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">=
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=
=A0</span></font></div>
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">=
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Bu=
t don=B4t ask me what ;-)</span></font></div>
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">=
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=
=A0</span></font></div>
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">=
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Re=
gards from the countryside somewhere in the north of<span>=A0</span>Portuga=
l</span></font></div>
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">=
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=
=A0</span></font></div>
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">=
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Ar=
tur</span></font></div>
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">=
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=
=A0</span></font></div>
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">=
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">--=
---------</span></font></div>
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">=
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=
=A0</span></font></div>
</div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">=
<font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">--=
- On<span>=A0</span><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Thu, 8/6/09, Harris=
on Owen<span>=A0</span><i><span style=3D"font-style:italic"><<a href=3D"=
mailto:hhowen at verizon.net" target=3D"_blank">hhowen at verizon.net</a>></sp=
an></i></span></b><span>=A0</span>wrote:</span></font></div>
</div><blockquote style=3D"border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;bo=
rder-bottom-style:none;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;border-lef=
t-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(16, 16, 255);border-left-width:1pt;padd=
ing-top:0in;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:3pt;margin-le=
ft:2.5pt;margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<p style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#3=
9;Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:12pt"><font size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt"><br>From: Harrison =
Owen <<a href=3D"mailto:hhowen at verizon.net" target=3D"_blank">hhowen at ver=
izon.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Why is a grid sometimes useful?<br>To:<span>=A0</span=
><a href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target=3D"_blank">OSLIST=
@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 5:17 AM</sp=
an></font></p>
<div><div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;fon=
t-family:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><=
font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt=
;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Lesley, I think you got it! (=93</span></fon=
t><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">It is my sense of things t=
hat the more we order=85.the more we take away from the process=85=85..howe=
ver this can be very uncomfortable for us(facilitator=94). It is all about =
organizing a self organizing system. Not only is that an oxymoron, but also=
 of questionable intelligence =96 regardless of the alleged increase of com=
fort.</span></font></div>
</div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-fa=
mily:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font=
 size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"fon=
t-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">=A0</span></font></div>
</div><div style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-fa=
mily:'Times New Roman';margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font=
 size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"fon=
t-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Harrison</span></font><font size=
=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"font-siz=
e:10pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"></span></font></div>
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