just wondering

[Jack Martin Leith]

Hello Pat.

I've been trying to stay out of this conversation, but now I feel the need
to wade in with my size 7½ boots. (That's small as UK sizes go - no
sniggering please!)

You say:


> *They use what is available to them to form relationships and are present
> and conscious in those possibilities as they change.*


Conscious?

I'm curious to know what you mean by that.

Thanks,

Jack

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2008/10/2 Pat Black <patoitextiles at gmail.com>

> One of the principles used to describe the why and the how of OST is self
> organizing systems.  This is, in my opinion, the core of why OST works.
>  Everything in creation with the possible exception of hydrogen is self
> organizing.  Self organizing systems are self sustaining by definition or
> they disappear.  They use what is available to them to form relationships
> and are present and conscious in those possibilities as they change.  As
> their environment changes because of their activity self organizing systems
> find uses for waste which enables their sustainability.  It is different
> than capitalism, I think, because there is no consciousness to
> sustainability in capitalism.  I am not very knowledgeable about economics
> but it seems to me that capitalism does not address sustainability.  Its
> focus is on doing what is possible in them moment without regard for
> consequences. Seems like the best governments are able to moderate that
> "laissez-faire" notion with consciousness about sustainability. Pat Black
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> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Martin Boroson <marty at becomingme.com>wrote:
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>> The philosophy of Open Space seems to promote a genuinely free market for
>> ideas.  The underlying belief, as I understand it, is that allowing each
>> person to follow his/her passion is the best way to discover the best ideas
>> and solutions.  It's efficient, just like a market.  This sure sounds like
>> the 'invisible hand' and laissez-faire capitalism to me.
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>> I have even sold Open Space to some corporate execs by pointing out that
>> since they value the free market so dearly *outside* their company, they
>> might want to try a free market *for ideas* inside their company.
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>> So I have often wondered if people on this list believe as passionately in
>> the free market for the economy as they do in Open Space.   In the current
>> economic crisis, as the world clamors for greater regulation – i.e. more
>> rules and limits on the freedom of markets – I am wondering if any of you
>> have any thoughts or insights to share.
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>> I imagine Harrison will remind me that Open Space runs on freedom *and*responsibility… yet the responsibility asked of participants in Open Space
>> is pretty minimal – naming their passion and showing up for their sessions
>> and respecting others' freedom to do the same.   It's well short of
>> socialism.
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