FW: Resulting 4p & L2F in 10 languages

Tue May 20 07:53:20 PDT 2008

Hi Thomas,

Here is the text for the law in French missing in your version and 2 modifications to the French principles to reflect the original English meaning and to avoid gender exclusiveness. I am catching up on the recent list messages, hope I am not too late with this contribution. 

The French has been modified, in our part of the world at least, on the following: 

-          the 3rd principle now reflects the English “could have” with the word “pouvait”. The word “devait” you have in English means What “should” happen instead of the actual What “could” happen.  What should happen has a whole different meaning than could and is incompatible with the principle itself and OST as a whole. We used it too at the outset until a participant pointed to the error. Subtleties are not always obvious.

So it reads: Ce qui arrive est ce qui pouvait arriver

(WHATEVER HAPPENS IS THE ONLY THING THAT COULD HAVE) 

-          Also to be more inclusive, the following wording of the 1st principle circumvents the limitations of the gender of the French language; also “se présentent” is a closer translation to “that show up” instead of “participate” – a nuance: one may show up but not actively participate in the discussion.

“Les personnes qui se présentent sont les bonnes”.

Here is the set of all the French principles with the above changes and the law of the 2 feet or law of mobility: 

Les personnes qui se présentent sont les bonnes

Ce qui arrive est la seule chose qui pouvait arriver

Quand ça commence, c’est le bon moment

Quand c’est fini, c’est fini

La loi des deux pieds… « Si vous n’apprenez plus et ne contribuez plus,

 passez à autre chose! »

Diane

From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Herrmann
Sent: 20 mai 2008 06:17
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Resulting 4p & L2F in 10 languages

Dear friends in Open Space – it worked!

Thanks

Thomas

The four principles and the law in 10 languages:

FRENCH

Quatre principes

1.   Tous ceux qui participent sont les bonnes personnes
WHOEVER COMES IS THE RIGHT PEOPLE 

2.   Quand cela commence c’est le bon moment

WHENEVER IT STARTS IS THE RIGHT TIME

3.   Ce qui arrive est ce qui devait arriver

WHATEVER HAPPENS IS THE ONLY THING THAT COULD HAVE 

4.   Quand c’est fini c’est fini

WHEN IT'S OVER, IT'S OVER 

The Law of two feet

Loi des deux pieds ou loi des deux jambes

ESTONIAN

1.      Kohal on õiged inimesed 

WHOEVER COMES IS THE RIGHT PERSON

2.      Kui see algab,on õige aeg 

WHENEVER IT STARTS IS THE RIGHT TIME

3.      Juhtuvad õiged asjad 

WHATEVER HAPPENS IS THE ONLY THING THAT COULD HAVE

4.      Kui see on läbi,siis see on läbi 

WHEN IT'S OVER, IT'S OVER

The law of two feet

KAHE JALA SEADUS - kui sa ei õpi ega ütle, astu edasi!

SPANISH

Los cuatro principios

1.      Quien viene es quien debe venir

2.      Comienza cuando es el tiempo

3.      Lo que sucede es lo que debe suceder

4.      Termina cuando termina

La ley de los dos pies o Ley de la Movilidad

GERMAN

Vier Grundsätze

1.      Die da sind, sind genau die Richtigen.

2.      Es fängt an, wenn die Zeit reif ist.

3.      Was auch immer geschieht: Es ist das Einzige, was geschehen kann.

4.      Vorbei ist vorbei - Nicht vorbei ist nicht vorbei.

The law of two feet - Das Gesetz der zwei Füße (Fuesse)

ITALIAN

1.      Chiunque venga è la persona giusta

WHOEVER COMES IS THE RIGHT PERSON

2.      In qualsiasi momento cominci è il momento giusto

WHENEVER IT STARTS IS THE RIGHT TIME

3.      Qualsiasi cosa accada è l'unica che poteva accadere

WHATEVER HAPPENS IS THE ONLY THING THAT COULD HAVE

4.      Quando è finita è finita

WHEN IT'S OVER, IT'S OVER

The law of two feet

La legge dei due piede

SERBIAN

èetiri prinicipa (prinicipi)

1. Whatever happens is the only thing that could have.
    Štagod da se desi, jedino je što se moglo desiti.

2. When it's over, it's over.
    Gotovo je kada je gotovo.

3. Whenever it starts is the right time.
    Kadgod da počne, to je u pravo vreme.

4. Whoever comes is the right people.
    Ko god da dođe, prava je osoba.

The law of two feet - Zakon dva stopala

RUSSIAN

4 Принципа

4 Principles

1.     Кто бы ни пришел – это правильные люди.

Whoever comes…

2.     Когда бы это ни началось – это правильное время

Whenever it starts…

3.     Что бы ни случилось  - это единственное, что может произойти 

Whatever happens,,,

4.      Когда он закончится – тогда и закончится 

When it’s over…

ЗАКОН ДВУХ НОГ

Law of two feet

Если вы обнаружите, что оказались в ситуациях, где вы не можете чему-либо научиться или сделать какой-либо вклад, вы ответственны за то, чтобы перейти в другое место, например, в другую группу.

If you find yourself in a situation where you cannot learn nor make a contribution…

LITHUANIAN

Four Principles – keturi dėsniai

WHOEVER COMES IS THE RIGHT PEOPLE – KAS ATEINA YRA TINKAMI ŽMONĖS 

WHENEVER IT STARTS IS THE RIGHT TIME – KADA PRASIDEDA, TADA IR TURI PRASIDĖTI

WHATEVER HAPPENS IS THE ONLY THING THAT COULD HAVE – KAS BEATSITIKTŲ, TIK TAI IR GALI ATSITIKTI 

WHEN IT'S OVER, IT'S OVER – KADA BAIGIASI, TADA BAIGIASI

The law of two feet – DVIEJŲ PĖDŲ DĖSNIS

LATVIAN

Principles:

1. Whatever happens is the only thing that could have.

1. Kasvien nenotiks ir vienīgais kas notikt varēja.

2. When it's over, it's over.

2. Kad tas ir cauri, tas ir cauri.

3. Whenever it starts is the right time.

3. Prieks sākšanas veinmēr ir pareiz laiks.

4. Whoever comes is the right people.

4. Katrs atnācējs (kas piedalās) ir ielūgts.

The law of two feet

Divu kāju likums:

SWEDISH

FYRA PRINCIPER
Vilka som än kommer är rätt personer
Vad som än händer är det enda som kunde hända
När det än börjar är det rätt tid
När det är slut så är det slut

En lag: Använd fötterna

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